icybrain
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This is "my vaccine didn't work because you didn't get yours" all over again
Why does anyone need to save the guy who picked blue? He can literally pick red
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@DiggingInTheDi1 @lporiginalg No you have it backward lmao. You are willing to sacrifice everyone who voted blue at under 50% so you can say "oh they should have made the other choice" When you could just vote with them and eliminate all collateral damage. It's a 49 point swing advantage. You are dumb.
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@sleepy_devo I think a lot of red pressers aren't fully considering that the original framing of the problem includes kids too young to make an informed choice:
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picking red ensures your short-term survival, this is true
however, the type of person who picks red, are overwhelmingly (but not exclusively) low trust, spiritually-third world troggs who would actively make society worse if they were in charge.
Savvy ( ˶ˆ꒳ˆ˵ )@MadamSavvy
The red/blue post going around i feel like is a watered down version of the original. Idk why it was pushed by the botspam accounts. Anyone who picks blue belongs in a padded room. In the current state of the copypasta, there is no reason to pick blue. Instead, anyone who picks blue is looking to create a problem where none exists so they can feel good about their “sacrifice” later. Sound familiar, doesnt it?
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@AncapPigARLZ I think it gets less clear when you consider kids too young to make an informed choice:
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I'm not murdering somebody that put himself at risk of death.
Fucking altruistic retards.
joshscorcher@joshscorcher
Something I noticed.
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The red/blue button game is literally just individualism vs collectivism.
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@BridgetPhetasy @MrBeast My problem with the original framing of the dilemma is that it places parents of young kids in a really shitty situation:
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Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@it_a_me_knowlzy The original poster of the poll confirmed that it includes literally everybody, and everyone votes privately. So people are going to vote blue to try to protect their kids, for example:
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Is this some weird ass litmus test or something?
Everyone pressing red solves the whole thing I think?
Am I being punked?
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@icybrain5 Except pressing blue increases the odds of blue winning by essentially 0%. If a child presses the red button, and their parents press blue, that child is now an orphan. Assuming red gets majority vote. So when concerned with their own child's well being, parents should press red
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If the blue threshhold was 20%, I'd choose red.
If it was 10%, I'd choose red.
If it was 1%, I'd choose red.
If it took 1000 blue votes, I'd choose red.
You should never press the suicide button.
You are responsible for your own life, why make anyone risk theirs for you.
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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@icybrain5 I don't think that's necessarily true, because if your child chooses red, and you choose blue, and blue loses, you're orphaning them, and your blue vote was extraordinarily unlikely to make a positive difference for them comparatively if they chose blue.
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There is a strong argument that blue voters are acting more selfish than red, because a individual blue vote won’t change the outcome, but does give the voter the convenience of death instead of the burden of helping navigate a catastrophe caused by a global dictator’s game.
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@w_s_bitcoin But now you’re not working within the thought experiment anymore. The thought experiment where you know what your kids push is a different one that hasn’t been presented to people
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The majority of the people saying they would push the blue button for altruistic reasons will instantly press red when they are alone.
Lauren Chen@TheLaurenChen
Reading people's justifications for pushing the blue button is actually spiking my cortisol levels If everybody pushes red - nothing happens! So why on earth would anyone press blue? It's a needless gamble, but it's being painted as the altruistic decision for some reason
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@ConceptualJames I wish the problem had been framed as having a minimum age requirement for participation
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I completely understand the argument about the blue button (some innocent people will make mistakes innocently), and yet hearing most of the arguments the blue-button people make makes me want to play the red button like a bongo drum.
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@breakingbaht Based on the original framing of the problem, parents of young children would be forced to choose blue in an effort to protect them:
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I cant stress enough.
Blue button thinking *is not* some pro civilization angle. It's legitimately just shitlib thinking. It is 100%, uncut "we're in this together" blind virtue signaling that is used essentially daily to fuck over everyone by the most selfish people on Earth and none of what they do is for anyone else.
And Conservatives or "Republicans" or anyone else pushing it a week later explaining how "you wont say online youll risk your life for the hypothetical people Ill randomly make up" are just closet fucking f*ggot shitlibs waiting for their shot at setting what the "you're--- I mean WE'RE in this together" agenda is.
joshscorcher@joshscorcher
Something I noticed.
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@pureMetatron Every parent of young children would be forced to choose blue to protect them
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@pureMetatron I wish there was more structure to the framing of the dilemma. I know red is the theoretically optimal choice for rational actors, but the this forces the choice on innocent irrational actors. I'd probably push blue due to the following (Tim is the original poster of the poll):
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Thanks for the explanations and for sharing your reasonings guys.
I prefer not to look at it as left vs right but as a bare bone thought experiment.
My immediate first thought was "I'd push blue".
But then I thought about it. Can I trust other people?
By the way the world is looking, the answer is categorically no.
In this world, it's basically impossible for so many to push blue. It's not gonna happen.
Too much data shows this. Even those who say they would push blue, a big chunk of them would end up pushing red anyways.
So red is the right choice.
If I push blue and I die, who is gonna take care of my family?
At least by pushing red I ensure I can take care of my family.
Helping strangers is a wonderful thing.
Failing to help your children and family is worse than not helping strangers.
I would then hope everyone comes to the same conclusion (including everyone in my family and friends) and we all end up pushing red.
For the inevitable blues, sorry bro.
Happy to have my mind changed if you disagree and you are good at explaining your position.
For those who are gonna use the shaming tactics, push blue and gtfo!
But I know you are gonna push red anyways, aren't you?
Metatron@pureMetatron
What't up with this red vs blue button thing? Can you explain it to me? My next post will be my personal choice, after you guys explain it.
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@IanRunkle @NapoleonBonabot And then you think about the number of people across the planet who understand red is the rational choice, but are forced to press blue to protect innocent irrational loved ones like young children. I think it is a flaw in the framing of the thought experiment.
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@IanRunkle @NapoleonBonabot That was my argument. I'm going to do what I can to try to protect my kid who can't reason about the underlying strategy:
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>Red: guaranteed survival
>Blue: survival only if enough people press blue
Am I losing my mind? Why do so many people see blue as the favorable option?
MrBeast@MrBeast
Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.
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