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The point isn't that someone's vote should matter less.
The point is that (A) someone who is extremely invested in the system, is well-informed, and capable of driving positive impact should be able to receive a larger voting power that doesn't become too powerful.
Similarly, (B) if many people with smaller voting power agree on something, that should receive representative support.
That is the core concept of Quadratic Voting. A mathematically proven way to improve voter representation and outcomes.
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There are many other well known systems like STV, PR, AV, etc... that would likely lead to better results than what we get today.
Discussing vote reform should not be a taboo subject.
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@mSanterre @idiom_bytes @genericrohan @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau The point is the voting of someone shouldn't matter less simply because their ideology goes against that of the majority. The consequences of their "actions" should not be borderline political persecution (i.e. less of a voice in the "democratic process").
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the absolute state of Canadian liberal politics...
@EricSThor @tobi tweet clearly says...
$1 in paid taxes = 1 vote
@tylermeredith ...the: "head of fiscal + econ policy for 🇨🇦’s PM & Ministers of Finance @JustinTrudeau, @cafreeland & @bill_morneau"
didn't read the tweet, so he keeps digging...
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You are right that this would probably swing elections to one side.
It's possible that this would even swing votes further to the left.
Personally, I'm much more concerned about the voter bias of (a) 25% of people working for the public sector and (b) 25% of Canadians being food insecure.
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@idiom_bytes @mSanterre @genericrohan @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau ~90% of Canadians having ~75% of the voting power, per the rule proposed by Eric, is not making a mountain out of a mole hill. It's a significant issue when election results are often very close.
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@EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau Let me tell you about the TEC...
Taxpayers
Engineers
Constitutions
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I have the delusional entrepreneurial belief that we can engineer new governance mechanisms without reform and with the contractual/fiduciary obligation to serve the people.
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What if instead of us demanding reform, we can build systems that bring accountability and trust to our government directly? Rather than having to trust whether an MP will represent your values through their party, they could literally put money where their mouth is through a contract that keeps them accountable to their role in government. And if they don't? Their funds are slashed. Shared with the top 25 civil liberty groups across Canada who are working hard to protect Canadian constitutional rights and freedoms. The last floor crossing by Marilyn Gladu is a slap in the face to all voters in Canada who demand accountability from their elected representative. If you care about your MPs representing you, then demand that they put skin in the game so they are accountable to the words and promises of their platform. Untrustworthy MPs would not engage with this system, sending a very clear signal to voters about how much skin in the game they really have when representing you.
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@idiom_bytes @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau Agreed, there is a growing wave of disenfranchised middle and upper middle class people in Canada that don’t feel their interests are represented and they’re just ‘tax cows’ for the milking.
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@PinguZaide @mSanterre @genericrohan @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau 90% of Canadians make less than 100k a year.
You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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@idiom_bytes @mSanterre @genericrohan @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau Assessing how much someone's vote should be worth by their earnings is, again, deeply flawed and not rooted in any objectivity. This is rewarding those who are good at capitalism while erasing the voices of those who oppose such system.
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@PinguZaide @mSanterre @genericrohan @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau You already do something like this.
The whole country hates Ottawa because they vote on their own interest instead of their constituents.
The reason to give higher tax-bracket taxpayers voting power is because they are truly the ones driving the economical engine forward.
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@mSanterre @genericrohan @idiom_bytes @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau Like do you genuinely think that giving X votes based on taxes bracket, thus giving even more power to high earners (who already have greater political influence), is giving more votes to people who have the interests of the lower earners in mind ?
No. Not in our society.
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@philngo_ @ArfinNathaniel Atrocities have been committed in the name of the poor and children.
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Fair argument. I do have a problem with a lot of the virtue signaling or lack of understanding (whether intentional, misguided or accidental) from party members in all parts of the political spectrum, but especially the party in power for the last 11 years federally. It’s ok to care for the poor. The problem is how you pay for that. Because a lot of the action I see ensures we will be too poor to care for the poor.
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I’m no lawyer… but what? How does this suggestion = poor people shouldn’t be allowed to vote?
Are people actively trying to mislead with anger in order to incite a reactionary retweet? Let’s be clear… in order to have a proper debate, you need a set of agreed upon facts. Bad facts = bad arguments = we’re just getting angry at each other for being illiterate.
Tyler Meredith@tylermeredith
.@Shopify CEO: the poor shouldn’t be allowed to vote. #cdnpoli
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@WeHaveFossils @tom_bajic @tylermeredith @Shopify The great majority of people, like 97% are 100k or less.
Millionaires, who there are far fewer, get 4 more votes.
Every liberal is crying for socialism but somehow this is unfair?
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@agrariangrrl @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau I see... You're the kind of person that is strict about existing rules when playing with hypotheticals.
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@idiom_bytes @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau Wrong. Many low‑income Canadians owe no income tax after credits.
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@mSanterre @genericrohan @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau literally, all they are talking about is $1 in income taxes
it's just to signal that you're a taxpayer
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@genericrohan @idiom_bytes @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau And they shouldn't have a say who leads this country if they're not contributing to society.
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@agrariangrrl @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau @agrariangrrl all you would need is have $1 in income taxes to be able to vote.
(a) low income retired people, (b) single working class moms, (c) disabled on assistance would probably all qualify based on this
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@idiom_bytes @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau Reading comprehension Idiom.
So low income retired people, single working class Moms, disabled on assistance...etc...ie poor people
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I recognize how $1 for someone making very little is a lot to ask because I grew up surrounded by misery in a third-world country.
What I find it funny is the M2 supply, liberal debt spend, insane lack of fiscal accountability, 1 in 4 Canadians food insecure, massive manufacturing exodus due to regulation, and then these people want to act like they give a shit about the poor.
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@idiom_bytes @ArfinNathaniel I get that $1 for someone making $16,453 (basic personal exemption amount federally in 2026) in taxable income is significant. The way around it would just be anyone declaring >$1 in taxable income gets a vote.
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The funniest part about this discussion, is that having a $1 vote buy-in, is the principle mechanism for systems like Quadratic Voting and @gitcoin.
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Having skin-in-the-game and overcoming friction means that you're engaged with the system and wants to make a conscious decision with your voting power.
These are mathematically-proven fair-voting mechanism that are battle-tested and have been utilised to effectively allocate millions of dollars in capital.
Most people talking on these matters are journalist and polisci shysters.
All haven't built shit and know very little.
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removing everyone from voting in our democracy who don't want to pay even $1 in taxes would be an incredible improvement prove me wrong
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removing everyone from voting in our democracy who don't want to pay even $1 in taxes would be an incredible improvement
prove me wrong
Tyler Meredith@tylermeredith
.@Shopify CEO: the poor shouldn’t be allowed to vote. #cdnpoli
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Sorry Nathaniel, I don't like to do these things online and believe live conversations are the best way to have structured, productive discussions, with those who are genuinely interested in discussing the merit and quantitative mechanisms of the system.
All this system does is weight voting towards people who pay a relatively higher amount of taxes in society.
That's it, nothing more.
It's not a wild idea, and prolific people in politics should quiet down because they are making themselves look silly.
If you are experienced with capital formation, growing the economy, and you pay lots of taxes, then perhaps you should perhaps get a bit more weight on the outcome.
To understand the merit of this system, you should approach this with statistics, not emotion.
You should acknowledge that you have have zero context as to how the voting distribution would look like, and how this would have affected previous voting outcomes.
You have zero quantitative data to attack or defend the mechanism.
Everyone attacking this is making themselves look like a clown.
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@idiom_bytes Keep going, you’re really strengthening your point.
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@ArfinNathaniel you seem to be losing yourself in basic governance design
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“He’s not saying poor people shouldn’t get a vote, just that they should have less of a say” isn’t the winning argument you think it is.
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@ArfinNathaniel @philngo_ just pay the $1 to vote bro
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@mrmckhockiner @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau Yes...
He is repeating Carney's "PP is not a patriot" rhetoric to continually make Conservative actions be viewed as unpatriotic.
Same with NDP calling others fascists.
It's the same playbook.
Completely undisciplined.
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@idiom_bytes @EricSThor @tobi @tylermeredith @JustinTrudeau @cafreeland @Bill_Morneau He is looking for a CBC talking point, majority of the Liberal party supporters are only receiving the output of the taxpayer fund, not net contributors.
The circle of friends I am with know how to fleece the system beautifully
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@tylermeredith Defer the extra tax credit and pay the $1 to vote bro
You need to go online and press a button to get your vote bro
If you don't want to participate in democracy just say so bro
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Siri: explain the tax incidence of refundable credits and income that falls below the basic personal amount.
I’ll wait.
Phil Ngo@philngo_
I’m no lawyer… but what? How does this suggestion = poor people shouldn’t be allowed to vote? Are people actively trying to mislead with anger in order to incite a reactionary retweet? Let’s be clear… in order to have a proper debate, you need a set of agreed upon facts. Bad facts = bad arguments = we’re just getting angry at each other for being illiterate.
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