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Ματτ Γὁןןiῆḡς Sinner/Saint
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Ματτ Γὁןןiῆḡς Sinner/Saint
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Doulos of Christ, husband and father, @ACBC certified Biblical Counselor #imputationist
Division No. 6, Alberta Katılım Ağustos 2011
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@jasonkovacs @Yroc2010 @emilyestahly @ABCounselors Given that The Gospel Coalition is explicitly complementarian and the Biblical Counseling Coalition generally reflects complementarian convictions, how does the Association of Biblical Counselors reconcile training and equipping egalitarian churches?
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This is what @ABCounselors says:
"While we appreciate and accept differences of opinion on various doctrines, we believe the Foundation Documents of the Gospel Coalition along with the confessional and doctrinal statement set forth by the Biblical Counseling Coalition capture the essential core of theology we want our Biblical Counselors, Training Centers and Training Leaders to affirm."
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Another important distinction between ACBC and ABC.
ACBC Standards: Women should avoid formally counseling men (teaching authority forbidden by Scripture, 1 Tim 2:12).
ABC: No such policy, trains men & women to counsel freely.
Clear difference in complementarian application.
Jason Kovacs@jasonkovacs
@omri12 She sees male and female individuals and couples not just men. I don’t think it is an issue for a female counselor to see a male client. To call that perverse is a serious overstatement and misunderstands the safeguards, ethics, and professionalism that guide it.
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@jasonkovacs @Yroc2010 @emilyestahly Jason, is it fair to say that @ABCounselors is open to partnering with and equipping egalitarian churches?
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@Yroc2010 @emilyestahly @imputationist I don't think they would say "anything goes" but as an organization they hold to the centrality and authority of the local church and defer to them.
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@imputationist Not only women counseling men, but women providing *sex therapy* to men in individual sessions.
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Had someone say recently they wanted a CIBC because they’ve already tried reading the Bible and praying and that hasn’t worked. They need “real help.”
Now they’ve added ice packs and EMDR to their Bible / prayer and are actually doing worse than when they began.
But they won’t give it up because “science.”
We can debate all we want… but we’re dropping the ball when we outsource the shepherding.
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@realKellyKnight @BiblicalBeauty “The “other Jesus” Paul condemns was a fundamentally different Christ”
Yes and the LDS have a fundamentally different Christ.
• Eternal existence
• Relationship to God the Father
• Divinity
• Pre-existence
• Incarnation
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So you have never actually read or studied these passages in context. Galatians is all about the fact that during his first visit, Paul taught that circumcision was not required of the Gentiles. During the 14 years between that visit and his writing this letter, someone snuck in unawares and taught them circumcision was required. Paul is correcting the false doctrine.
As for 2 Corinthians: Paul’s warning isn’t about people who believe Jesus is the premortal Son of God or who accept additional scripture. He’s warning the Corinthians about first‑century impostors—“super‑apostles”—who denied the real crucified and risen Christ and preached a counterfeit gospel.
The “other Jesus” Paul condemns was a fundamentally different Christ: not divine in the same way, not the Savior through His atoning death, not the resurrected Lord. It was a false Christology, not a disagreement about later Christian theology.
Latter‑day Saints worship the same Jesus Paul preached: the divine Son of God, Jehovah of the Old Testament, born of Mary, crucified, resurrected, and the only source of salvation.
Paul’s warning is about rejecting Christ—not about rejecting someone’s preferred interpretation of Him.
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Jonny Ardavanis responding to the question of whether a woman can teach from the pulpit of a church under the authority of her elders on a Sunday morning:
"Well, listen, the Bible either says women can preach, or they cannot...I would just encourage people, you and I are not allowed to make arbitrary decisions and say, 'You know what, we think she can teach under our authority once a month.'
A woman may be preaching under the authority of her elders, but she is most definitely not preaching under the authority of the New Testament, nor the Holy Spirit who wrote it...
You may be asking, 'Would I leave a church that has a woman preaching, even if under the authority of her elders?' Yes, I would. Yes, I would. I would ask the elders to reconsider their position. I would present to them Scripture.
And you may be asking, 'Why? What's the consequence of this?' Well, the consequence of this is just, it's disobedience. It's in the Bible. What's the consequence? Weak churches.
And when men don't lead, churches die. And when churches break down, the culture breaks down, and you're watching this in our world today. Like in the garden, when you overthrow God's design for the family and for the church, there are disastrous consequences."
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@realKellyKnight @BiblicalBeauty Galatians 1:1-8; 2Cor 11:1-4. LDS proclaims a different Jesus and gospel.
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@imputationist @BiblicalBeauty What is your Biblical definitive proof of this?
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@realKellyKnight @BiblicalBeauty *not Christian
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Biblical counselors, we are not professionals.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=-wEQv1…
@desiringGod @JohnPiper
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