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@omri12
Jesus' slave. Emily's husband. Chloe, Obadiah, Jonah, Ezekiel, and Nahshon's Daddy. Lead Pastor of @GraceBibleNOLA.
New Orleans, LA Katılım Ağustos 2009
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@JulieGanschow59 @sevier_nick Aaron: "Behold, the gods who brought you out from Egypt!" Ex33
Jeroboam: "Behold, the gods who brought you out from Egypt." 1Kgs12
The New Integrationism really isn't so new.
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@sevier_nick @omri12 This is so sad. Why don’t they just stop calling themselves biblical counselors? This is pure nonsense.
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Prominent clinically-informed [un]biblical counselor makes an argument FOR female “professionally trained sex therapist” to counsel men individually—within the local church!
Like @omri12, I’m flabbergasted.
How far will they go?
Jason Kovacs@jasonkovacs
100% respectfully disagree brother! I don’t think it’s accurate to label gospel-centered, clinically-informed sex therapy as a "perverse practice" or that it is an "abject failure of the churches shepherding ministry." Those are serious assumptions and insinuations you are making. A trained professional sex therapist can be a valuable partner to good pastoral care by addressing aspects of sexuality that pastors are not always equipped to handle in depth or have the time to give - particularly the physiological, historical, and relational dynamics involved. Many struggles in this area are shaped by trauma, abuse, bodily responses, not just beliefs or choices. A skilled counselor can help untangle the embodied complexities people face. Ideally, when rightly ordered under the authority of God’s Word, this partnership offers wise, whole-person care.
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“Be content to pour your life into other wasted, weary lives and see them blessed and made more holy- and then withdraw and let Christ have the honor.” JR Miller
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Luke 23:31. "For if they do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?"
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Honestly, I'm flabbergasted. The lack of sanctified wisdom and plain common sense here is appalling.
Titus 2:3-5 supplies clear instructions for female relationships involving counsel/instruction in the church and First Timothy 5:2 demands purity explicitly with particularly vulnerable relationships between younger members of the opposite sex.
Last thing I'll say about this is that this proves the point of my OP. Though the woman is culpable herself before God for her own folly in this matter, it's the pastors who allow her and her husband to permit such a practice in the church that bear the greater condemnation.
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@omri12 She sees male and female individuals and couples not just men. I don’t think it is an issue for a female counselor to see a male client. To call that perverse is a serious overstatement and misunderstands the safeguards, ethics, and professionalism that guide it.
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This is quite the claim and indictment. A few of the key churches inferred here are:
Parkside Church (Alastair Begg) parksidechurch.com
The Summit Church (JD Greear) summitchurch.com
Austin Stone Community Church austinstone.org
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Current weaknesses and errors within the biblical counseling movement are not fundamentally problems with a "movement". The errors being received and promoted (practical and theological) can be traced back to these teachers' local churches, especially from the pulpit. Error, levity, and/or a lack of clarity in preaching will subtly infect the world through the lives of the members of Christ's church, some of whom identify as biblical counselors. Conversely, sound, serious, biblical preaching shapes counselors immensely (yet almost imperceptibly) and guards the church from untold damage. Why? Because the word of God "is at work in you" (1Thess. 2:13).
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@jasonkovacs My issue isn't counseling people struggling with marital intimacy, Jason. You may have missed the part where I point out that it's a woman offering sex therapy counseling services to male individuals. Do you support such a practice?
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100% respectfully disagree brother! I don’t think it’s accurate to label gospel-centered, clinically-informed sex therapy as a "perverse practice" or that it is an "abject failure of the churches shepherding ministry." Those are serious assumptions and insinuations you are making.
A trained professional sex therapist can be a valuable partner to good pastoral care by addressing aspects of sexuality that pastors are not always equipped to handle in depth or have the time to give - particularly the physiological, historical, and relational dynamics involved. Many struggles in this area are shaped by trauma, abuse, bodily responses, not just beliefs or choices. A skilled counselor can help untangle the embodied complexities people face. Ideally, when rightly ordered under the authority of God’s Word, this partnership offers wise, whole-person care.
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Brother, this includes me and my own church if it applies.
But because of Jason's initial response to (announcement of, really) my OP and this comment, let me just say, I couldn't care less who is indicted by a clear articulation of whatever biblical principle. "Let God be true and every man a liar" (Rom. 3:4).
Seems to me that we far too casually avoid clear biblical truth because we rush to justify men. John 5:44 reminds us this is neither safe nor sound.
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Thank you for that clarification, Jason. But I didn't call them churches "full of" anything. I personally would not say it like that. Nevertheless, I'm thankful we at least agree with the principle I'm highlighting. We'll have to agree to disagree with the conclusion I'm drawing.
However, I do have to point out the irony that one of the churches you listed features among its counselors a female sex therapist, whose bio advertises counseling male individuals with gospel-centered, clinically supported sex therapy interventions. It's hard for me to see how such a perverse practice is anything but abject failure of the church's shepherding ministry and part of the problem with the biblical counseling movement currently. But, again, you're well within your right to disagree.
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@omri12 Omri - I agree with the connection and principle. I disagree that these are churches that are full of "Error, levity, and/or a lack of clarity in preaching" and are "subtly infecting the world through the lives of the members of Christ's church..."
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I think I know what you mean here by, "retake Constantinople," so to be completely honest with you, my church probably isn't what you're looking for. However, I would love to see this city and its culture transformed through the power of the gospel, one conversion at a time as New Orleanians repent and believe the biblical gospel. Such works of God are evident throughout history, especially during the Reformation when the Scriptures were recovered and translated into the vulgar tongue for the common man.
I've enjoyed our interactions online @dfossier. Let me know if you'd be interested in getting together sometime. Lunch on me!
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I'm in the Metairie/New Orleans area and I have a group of engaged men who are looking for a Church that 1) does great work to lift up worthy, not just poor, members of the community 2) is actively hostile to the progressiveism that's infected many parishes 2) sees it as important to retake Constantinople. We don't believe this exists anymore. Please leave recommendations, messages of encouragement, or memes in the comments.
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Current weaknesses and errors within the biblical counseling movement are not fundamentally problems with a "movement". The errors being received and promoted (practical and theological) can be traced back to these teachers' local churches, especially from the pulpit.
Error, levity, and/or a lack of clarity in preaching will subtly infect the world through the lives of the members of Christ's church, some of whom identify as biblical counselors. Conversely, sound, serious, biblical preaching shapes counselors immensely (yet almost imperceptibly) and guards the church from untold damage. Why? Because the word of God "is at work in you" (1Thess. 2:13).
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Brian Borgman is the next featured main conference speaker at the 2025 Summer Institute! He will be speaking on the topic of compassion as well as "A Theology of the Emotions, Body, and Soul." Join us this June by registering here: zurl.co/JgLP2
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Dr. Baker is so good on this issue. This episode is an excellent resource for biblical counselors.
ACBC@acbc
Is clinically informed biblical counseling truly a third generation of biblical counseling? On this edition of Truth in Love, Dale Johnson and Dr. Ernie Baker discuss how to evaluate that claim and why Scripture must remain our authority. biblicalcounseling.com/resource-libra…
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As Christ says, "Wisdom is vindicated by all her children" (Lk. 7:35). Therefore, the evidence for who's on the right side of the current debate about sufficiency is in those who hold the views. Historic BCs aren't even having to deal with being "disregulated" b/c of the very convictions we hold, namely, that Scripture is sufficient for our counsel and cures. Those who stay this course find the comfort they seek. So, I'm objecting to the use of "embodied practices," since they undermine sufficiency.
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@omri12 What, exactly, are you objecting to with this series of questions?
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Where are all the churches who reject EMDR, grounding, and other so-called embodied practices, and yet simultaneously remain filled with "disregulated" members?
If CIBC's embodied practices were so useful and/or necessary to the spiritual wellbeing of God's people, we should expect to find churches who reject such practices filled with Christians suffering from the rejection of God's common grace methods (so-called). But where are they?
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Just gonna put this here for those who care to know ACBC’s framework and guidelines for abuse:
abuse.biblicalcounseling.com
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When trials, fears, or unmet desires overwhelm us, it’s easy to lose sight of the remedy that is already near. This article points us to Psalm 23, reminding us that our Shepherd is sufficient, faithful, and worthy of our trust in every circumstance. biblicalcounseling.com/resource-libra…
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Please check out this @acbc podcast on memory and trauma. I hope this conversation with @TDaleJohnson is an encouragement to those who have been though or are going through extreme suffering in their lives.
podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tru…
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