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obscure horizons & lost stars. Some Markets and a few speculations.

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Sahil Kapoor
Sahil Kapoor@SahilKapoor·
Read all the narratives about FIIs fleeing India. Then look at the following data. 2024: India stocks valuations were at 2SD over long term. Earnings growth was peaking. Sales growth has begun to moderate and would eventually go to mid single digits. For 16% ROE or even lower businesses you were getting exits at more than 40x trailing multiple. Rupee was at threat from slowing FDI flows and peaking of remittances trend. When FIIs sold, they were mocked. India equity weights in EM basket peaked at close to 24% (severely limiting incremental inflow probability). The narrative was if not India then where would FIIs go. It was a false narrative. (Every single data pointed mentioned above was highlighted in DSPNetra) FY27 start: Valuations are at multi year low. Many large caps at fair or below fair value. India equity weights at less than 15% in EM basket, at multi year low. For the first time in more than 30 years FII were net sellers in 2 consecutive years FY25 and FY26. Rupee pricing in peak pessimism from BOP stress, Oil troubles with REER at two decade low. The probability of incremental sale from FIIs is one of the lowest now. The narrative is FIIs dont want to invest in India. It's a flase narrative. Mean reversion is very hard to digest in real time. Both at highs and lows. It becomes evident only in hindsight. In real time, pay attention to data.
Sahil Kapoor@SahilKapoor

When Will FIIs Come Back To India? Equity prices do not move because FIIs buy. Like most investors, FIIs chase price. They usually do not create trends. Instead of equity investors and traders, this question should interest economists tracking India's Balance of Payments. India's capital account has recently slipped into deficit. The reasons are visible. Weak FDI inflows. FPI outflows. Large outward investments by Indians. Easy exits through IPOs, FPOs and OFS. Stretched equity valuations. A shaky macro backdrop. That is precisely why this may be a strong contra signal. What do foreign investors see today? More reasonable valuations. In some pockets, perhaps even cheap ones, especially in large, high quality, liquid listed firms. More important, the Indian Rupee is near one of its weakest REER levels in many years. And many of India's macro stresses now look near their peak. Which means they are more likely to be priced in. Historically, the biggest foreign inflows into India have come when valuations were cheap or at least reasonable. Not when optimism was highest. If there is a period after the COVID crash when FPI and FDI flows can begin to improve again, it is around this zone. Source: DSPNetra

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vineeth (vin8-)@inv_vin8·
Reconsidering the inventory of Long range loitering munitions & hard launch site points too &almost the of air bases need mad upgrades on shelters forget clustered, but despite advances,, ballistics still remain 50-50 game of intercept & most of Iran’s aren’t interconti. either
vineeth (vin8-)@inv_vin8

Those were some serious salvo from Iran. No one knows which direction it’ll take from here. One thing for sure, Indian forces would be reconsidering the inventory of S/MRBM’s + Prithvi/Akash AD’s. Israel has Arrow/Barak/David’s sling& maybe US’patriot AD’s, yet MIRV’s penetrated

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Nitin Verma
Nitin Verma@itsnitinverma·
Grab the knowledge, opportunities will automatically come .
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vineeth (vin8-)@inv_vin8·
It’s not a chicken and egg problem as it seems. You always need foreign capital. Domestic champions success depends on available local ecosystem and the policy at play. I’d still stick my neck out and say it’s more to do with your local entrepreneurs appetite than anything. Dong Mingzhu as a case study need to be taught. She’s an absolute legend of a story. The Chinese in early 90’s have incentivised and practically mandated the japs to sell in their country if it’s manuf locally and more through a JV with local companies. Gree was born out of thin air that way. From a small factory room. Learnt process knowledge and assembly line knowledge from japs. Later they enriched talent (&did whatever they can) to make their game stronger. Scaled well. Invested back heavily into gases and chemistry. 2 decades later - started beating the jars at their own game. & Fast forward to today, gree is now the global leader and sets standards for compressor manufacturing globally. Ofc you can make a case for state support and funding there vs free mkts here. But you cannot make a case for lack of biz acumen and hunger of domestic enterprises/entrepreneurs. The scale & size is too big not to venture deeper into this space. It’s not a mkt to ignore your own R&D. You’ll always need fdi and superior products from outside, else you’d be restricted to subpar domestic OEM’s financially flush (&big mcaps) with shitty sub standard products. In a fight between Trade vs investment - every country almost always benefits more from investment than trade. So yes- your argument on increasing costs (in turn a consequence of lack of skilled resources in the country with process knowledge), when mkt opportunity is just way too big is not a cementing factor.
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Pk@pk00202500·
@inv_vin8 daikin takes in the engineering talent - increases hiring costs for indan startups trying to work on HVAC,cooling,etc !! they bring-in their japanese suppliers sideline indian msme long term & keep capacity to themselves !! brazil playbook repeating itself :(
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vineeth (vin8-)@inv_vin8·
I guess we only need to be in specialised categories to get good PE’s guys 🙂
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Voltas peaked out market share of 26% in 2021. Daikin was relatively a newbie 6-7% around 2019, but when you see the past few yrs of the parent group’s annual report and ppt’s, they’ve been the most bullish on Indian mkt. Daikin today stands around 17%, Voltas 18-19%, kinda same with bluestar &others. When buying mkt leaders- make sure mkt leader stays ruthless & maintaining mkt dominance, else downside risk becomes too high and you’ll risk losing a lot of money.
VaR@Vedansh_Ag

Japanese and Chinese companies will eat the market. Indian AC manufacturers, allergic to R&D, are drifting towards irrelevance.

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vineeth (vin8-)@inv_vin8·
@chakuchuri @Vedansh_Ag Wrong. The DNA of conglos won’t change easy lad. Voltas attained 5k cr topline 12 yrs ago. They do 15k cr now, still bereft of any risk. cyclicality risks are just too weak of an excuse for not committing to backward integration tech.
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chakuchuri@chakuchuri·
@Vedansh_Ag Deep pockets and well diversified. Indian cos will when forced
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VaR@Vedansh_Ag·
Japanese and Chinese companies will eat the market. Indian AC manufacturers, allergic to R&D, are drifting towards irrelevance.
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vineeth (vin8-)@inv_vin8·
An investor’s ability to establish a bullish or bearish stance doesn’t hamper them if their view goes otherwise. What really hampers them is the ability to maintain flexibility in both these fluid scenarios. Often times, we are pulled down by the weight of our very own thoughts.
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vineeth (vin8-)@inv_vin8·
Another year passed by. Still can’t find much. Chips A&D Energy..still lead Rail moved from infra/wagons to tech. Terminal value of A&Def has changed completely. Banks, metals & industrial/hard assets make new entries Consumption still remains sluggish to make money from mkt
vineeth (vin8-)@inv_vin8

More than half a year passed by. Mini bear also loomed on. But these themes kinda stayed relatively unchanged& continue doing so. Rail might’ve moved away from wagons, epc to specialised plays-but theme still holds potential Power keeps spanking disbelievers Chips A&D Power Rail

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Khushi🪐
Khushi🪐@_khusheyyy·
i feel like all roads lead to mathematics physics philosophy
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Dhruv Bajaj
Dhruv Bajaj@dhruvbajaj184·
Last cycle saw big winners emerging in sectors exposed to govt policies,but when 'consensus' sentiment is bullish,even a small hiccup causes 50-60% fall, be it - Water EPC/pipe - Solar pump - Smart meter - Rpet recycling So if mgmt says nothing can go wrong,fold ur hands & run!
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BlindSpot Research@BlindSpotinvest

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Rishap Vats
Rishap Vats@VatsRishap·
Lesson for India here isnt about irrelevance of bean counting but rather the possibility of critical assets being used in such situations, like they’re expendable, only when you have mass. Such attrition levels is acceptable only with numbers. Scale is key, not silly comparisons.
OSINTtechnical@Osinttechnical

Remains of the USAF M/HC-130 Hercules transport aircraft destroyed by US forces before departing their forward base in Iran, used successfully to recover the downed F-15 aircrew. The aircraft had reportedly become stuck in the soft ground and were blown up to avoid capture.

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Akshay Jogani
Akshay Jogani@kshayjogani·
We broke down the drone and counter-drone opportunity at @XponentTribe (link in the reply). The taxonomy, value chains, India's procurement roadmap, and where we think investable value will accumulate. This HoverIt Divyastra is one piece of a much larger story. Until a few years ago, India's loitering munition capability was essentially imported. Israeli Harop systems. When the moment came, Indian-made systems showed up on the battlefield. Nagastra-1, built by Solar Industries, was actually deployed. Raphe mPhibr's drones struck targets in contested territory. These were products built by private Indian companies, tested in combat, and they worked. And combat test is the true litmus test for a defence products company. ideaForge has been the quieter but arguably more foundational part of this story. Their SWITCH platform is the ISR workhorse across Army, Navy, and Air Force. Before anything can be struck, it has to be found. ideaForge built the eyes of the system while others were building the fists. Then came Raphe mFiber. Raphe was founded in 2017 by two brothers out of a 2,000 sq ft facility in Noida. Today they have 600 people, build every subsystem in-house including India's first military-grade autopilot and their own drone IC engine, and are fielding nine platforms across surveillance, logistics, swarm, and maritime patrol. Dynamatic, a company that makes parts for Boeing and Airbus, quietly built Kaatil through its Dynauton division. Jet-powered loitering munition, 600 km/h, works without GPS. HoverIt, the Lucknow startup behind this Divyastra, went from incorporation to flight trials in under four years. And now the demand is clearly visible too. Post-Sindoor, the forces placed over Rs 5,000 crore in drone orders with domestic firms. Rs 20,000 crore in fast-track procurement is likely in 2026. And the MoD's Technology Perspective and Capability Roadmap (TPCR) 2025 lays out the full scale of what's coming: 360+ MALE/HALE remotely piloted aircraft, 130-150 combat UCAVs and stealth drones, 700-800 integrated surveillance and targeting systems, and loitering munitions across every branch and platform. We estimate $10-15 bn in drone procurement over five years against a current annual run rate of barely $1 bn. My bet (and wish) is that India will go from importing drones to exporting them in under a decade.
Mario Nawfal@MarioNawfal

🇮🇳 India just unveiled an AI-powered kamikaze drone with a 2,000km range and 12-hour endurance. Every major power is now racing to mass-produce cheap one-way attack drones, the weapon that's rewriting the rules of modern war. Expensive interceptor missiles vs. cheap drones. The math isn't pretty. Source: Zero Hedge

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@Vedansh_Ag Can’t forget about you on this. Passing clouds on a broader frame, but yeah tough terrains of times in hindsight.
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Imo, It is very necessary for investors who buy with raw conviction and size them heavily to take a big beating once in their journey. Only to get back doing more or less similar things but far more prudently. A phase of panic where your fingers tremble while placing orders.
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