Javier Sin(e)
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@B_N_Jeff @NathanBozeman2 I don’t think mormons are Christians but neither are evangelicals who only make up some arbitrary “main gospel” nonsense. If you don’t profess the Nicene Creed, you are not a Christian.
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Orthobros can not even fathom focusing on spreading the Gospel of Christ over debating obscure Canon laws from the Middle Ages and seeing which particular denomination/church lines up with it better.
Apologists spreading mere Christianity are obviously correct in doing so.
Jay Dyer@JayDyer
Avery & IP admit they DONT CARE. They advocate for ecumenism and going to whatever church you want or even making up your own lol. Now why wont either of them come publicly, formally debate me on this topic?
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@MichaelGirdon @Orthodox_Elijah Do you not understand the point? You can express it with utmost gentleness, but Protestantism is inclusive with orthodoxy, while orthodoxy is not inclusive with Protestantism. You may believe that this is the truth, and I believe you do, but do not expect content with this claim.
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@javier_sin_e @Orthodox_Elijah I don't say they are doomed, I simply imply or sometimes state ouwardly that I believe the fullness of faith and salvation is found in the Orthodox Church. It's my conviction as Orthodox (and should be) and that's enough to make them mad or at least think I'm mean and misguided.
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@MichaelGirdon @Orthodox_Elijah To reiterate my point, who initiates the hostility? Do you at least comprehend why individuals feel offended if they genuinely believe that Christ is their lord and the orthodox claim that they are doomed if they are not orthodox?
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@javier_sin_e @Orthodox_Elijah God can save anyone He wants, but we don't teach that because no one who is no Orthodox/outside of the Church should ever get the impression (from us) that they're fine where they are.
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@MichaelGirdon @Orthodox_Elijah That’s because the hostility begins with orthodoxy. For a Protestant, being orthodox can lead to salvation, but the orthodox claim is that salvation is only possible through the church. Therefore, you’re being hostile from the start
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@Orthodox_Elijah Even my most nominalist Christian relatives will be indifferent to me being Orthodox, but if I ever even allude to the fact that Orthodoxy is the the One True Church, I'll be met with contempt and hostility. "How dare you?!"
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@darwintojesus I think that the core of his argument is the world is imperfect implying that the world is bad and God created something bad. But that is not the case, creation Is good meaning that the good of the world is much, much greater than the bad.
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Interesting argument.
If we were to steel man this and represent it as a syllogism I think it would look like this:
1. God is perfect
2. A perfect being would only create perfect things
3. The world is imperfect
4. Therefore, a perfect God could not have created this world
...And then we'd further conclude a perfect God doesn't exist.
The problem is with premise two, for a number of reasons.
Firstly, what does it mean to be perfect? To be perfect is to lack for nothing, to be without flaws, to be fully actualized. But only God is like that, so the only way for God to make something perfect would be to make another God exactly like Himself. But there's a problem with this because the second God couldn't be exactly the same since he had to be created, rather than simply existing by his very nature. So logically speaking God can't create something perfect. This means that if* God creates, God can only create things that are imperfect.
So now that we've established that God can't make something perfect, I guess the question is... why would God create? Here's a thought. Ontologically speaking God is the greatest conceivable being... would the greatest conceivable being create things? Or not create things? It seems obvious that creating is greater than not creating. An artist that creates no art wouldn't be much of an artist. If this is correct, it means God will create, and from my first argument God will create something imperfect... something flawed. Something lacking.
Another thing worth pointing out is that as humans we knowingly create imperfect beings. We know when a baby is born, it's not perfect... yet we choose to do it anyway. Why? Is our desire to bring new life into the world something evil or wicked? I don't think so. I think it comes from our love for each other and our understanding that giving life is a blessing, even if that child screws up, even if they suffer, their life is a blessing.
If God is good, wouldn't He want to bless something with the gift of life, the same way we do? I don't see why not.
From this I think it follows that if God exists we'd expect to be in some sort of imperfect or flawed reality, and that's exactly what we find ourselves in.
But how does atheism explain the existence of a flawed world?
To say that something is flawed is to say it's not how it should be. But how can the world be flawed if atheism is true? On atheism the world just... is. It's not meant to be any sort of way. To be consistent the atheist would have to say reality isn't flawed, which is obviously absurd.
This means that not only can Christianity explain the world we find ourselves in, it predicts it logically. Atheism on the other hand would have to predict a totally neutral world with no flaws, no issues, no evil... and no one in their right mind would say that's the world we find ourselves in.
So this argument not only fails, it gives us more great reasons to reject atheism.
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@jakerattlesnk @paleochristcon The only thing that I would change is that the carisma should be rated for how much you capture people from both sides of the discussion. It is something that would give people like John Lenox a higher carisma score and people like jay dyer a low score
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Here is one hand, and here is another. Therefore, there are here two hands.
Darwin to Jesus@darwintojesus
What’s the proof that you’re not a brain in a vat and that what you experience is actually reality?
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@SnazzyLabs @seanfeucht Don’t you want to be off Christian twitter? That seems to be your only interest lately
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@KepaApp @redeemed_zoomer @Pontifex Bro your happy face emoji’s are so cringe just stopped that and we are good
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@redeemed_zoomer @Pontifex Awesome!!! 😊
Do you also obey and submit to the Pope and your local Bishop? Hebrews 13:17!
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@TailosiveTech You can’t have 2 simultaneous sources on Bluetooth, the protocol doesn’t have enogh bandwidth
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@SpeedWatkins Do you think that conclusion that we arrive at is an opinion or a trascendental true?
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@NathanBozeman2 Abraham is a close contestant willing to give the most precious life for God and his will
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I would say:
1) Moses if we are talking about how He saves us.
2)David in regards to His role as King and his heart of worship.
What do you guys think? 🤔
Adam@Curi_Christian
Who was the most like Jesus in the Old Testament?
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@SpeedWatkins @darwintojesus You conflict that justice is served fully on this earth but that is not the Christian worldview everyone is going to be justified after Christ comes. So no contradiction.
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@darwintojesus We can narrow this to a dilemma:
If all get exactly what they deserve, none are shown mercy. And if all receive less than they deserve, then no one receives exactly what they deserve. Either way, one and the same act cannot be wholly just and merciful nor can anyone be both.
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@paleochristcon You are always going to be more successful with children than without them. They are the biggest drive you could have to bring food to the table
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Anti natalist rhetoric.
Your ancestors slept in the mud
You will be fine. Have children.
Jo@JoJoFromJerz
Have babies you can’t afford who they won’t help house or feed.
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@SpeedWatkins Affirming it doesn’t make it true inferior or superior require an explanation or rationale, and the options are these complex designed comes from nothingness and mindless process vs complex design comes from a mind
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Intelligent design is an inferior explanation to evolution as an account of life’s *complex order* even if the details of its *origin* are unknown. Our uniform experience is of complex organisms arising from mindless reproductive processes, and none from intelligent intervention.
Darwin to Jesus@darwintojesus
If the theory of evolution is meant to refute or counter intelligent design (which it is), then abiogenesis is absolutely part of that theory.
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