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Anyone else think @grahamformaine sounds like Coach McGirk from Home Movies / Bob from Bob’s Burgers? Hopefully he becomes Senator but if not he should consider voice acting.

My mom’s answer to the blue/red button was “I pick blue. Because we all survive. I think everyone else will pick it too.”

@NathanpmYoung Can I just press whatever they press

You are in a room with one other person. They are behind frosted glass. You both have the standard red and blue buttons applying only to the two of you. They seem awake and alert. You are not permitted to communicate. What do you press?

You push blue and you save the lives of everyone who pushed blue. Pushing Red is because you are a scared little bitch who thinks human beings are cowardly, self-interested worms. Self-report!

The plan?

This sums up why the blue/red button thing has caused such a ruckus. Like the white-gold/black-blue dress, it can be viewed through two different lenses, with each lens making one button seem obvious and the other seem unfathomable.

To close out red/blue button discourse, we polled ~14k people and crosstabbed survey responses by 204 commonly used psychometric questions. The top four personality questions most predictive of button choice are displayed below

@justshawn00 @ChrisPacia Both options change in OPs too, as I said. Do you refute that? OPs just leaves out how it affects the group. If you emphasize how the group is affected, like my example, red is viewed as a mass murder vote and unnecessary compared to the blue “no mass murder” vote.

@jayparajoder @ChrisPacia The consequence is irrelevant. The verbage of 1 question changing vs 2 will significantly alter the number changing their positions. It is irrelevant the morality of both scenarios, they are not equivalent alterations

One more attempt at articulating why the red button pushers view the blue button pushers as so irrational. Let's say your options are this: Red Button: Nothing happens to you. Blue Button: Kills you instantly. If everyone is confronted with that choice, why would anyone push the blue button? Would we not expect 100% of people to push the red button? Now if you change the terms and add a proviso that the blue button pushers will be spared if a majority of people push the blue button, wouldn't your reaction be: "Ok, well. We've already established that nobody's going to push to Blue Button so this shouldn't change anything for anyone". If your reaction suddenly becomes "Omg we need to organize a campaign to get everyone to push the blue button and you're Hitler if you push red" ... Its like.. um what?

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@jayparajoder @ChrisPacia Yours: Blue: Nothing happens Red: You live, Everyone else dies Blue: You might die Red: You live, if a majority press red, those who pick blue die Yours modifies both because blue cannot remain "nothing happens."

@justshawn00 @ChrisPacia Red is modified too because choosing red does not just affect you. It increases the chances of blue pressers dying because you are part of the % who don’t vote blue. In OP’s framing there’s still no reason to press blue but they always effect each other,that’s the moral question.

@jayparajoder @ChrisPacia OP: Red Button: Nothing happens to you Blue Button: Kills you instantly Red Button: Nothing happens to you Blue Button: Kills you instantly unless 51% also vote blue Red is not modified. Same in both scenarios. Just an addendum to blue that slightly lessens the severity

@justshawn00 @ChrisPacia OP modified both too. The framings that favor red focuses on the individual effects only and pretend you’re not voting for an outcome and ones that favor blue focus on group effects and voting effecting an outcome not just for yourself but others too.

@jayparajoder @ChrisPacia That is not "nothing happens". You think you only modified red but you modified blue too. You essentially just reworded it to "you might die" and "you might kill people" which is not equivalent modification to the original post

@JuicyGooser1 @Daniel86Cycles Given? You can’t just take away a button, it becomes a different question. There’s an equivalent where there’s no blue button as well: There is a red button and if at least 50% of the world pushes it, everyone who didn’t push it dies. Who is responsible for deaths if red wins?

"The red button kills people" "No it doesn't. The button does nothing!" "So why'd you remove it?" "The button doesn't matter!" "Okay so put it on the blender." "What!?? No! That would make me a killer!"

@Pagefile0x00 @JuicyGooser1 @Daniel86Cycles I was arguing against the blue btn being the suicide button & red being the “opt out” button. Only way to opt out is to not press a btn. Let me rephrase - pushing the blue button isn’t what might kill you. Not by itself. But it’s not without some risk, that blue pushers accept.

@jayparajoder @JuicyGooser1 @Daniel86Cycles You just said it wasn't their choice that caused them to die though. You lumped all the responsibility on red.

ACTUAL PARENTS ONLY: All parents have to take a private vote, pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% press the blue button, all children survive. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only the children of red button pressers survive. What do you press?

@Pagefile0x00 @JuicyGooser1 @Daniel86Cycles Sure, Blue knows there is some risk of death. If blue voters live, it is thanks to blue voters. Red voters live either way for putting themselves first at the expense of others. If blue voters die it was their own btn choice + each red voter for making mass death more likely.

@jayparajoder @JuicyGooser1 @Daniel86Cycles Except the only way someone can possibly die is if they press the blue button. The best case scenario for trying to force the responsibility on red is that blue also has half of that reaponsibility for pressing blue.

You forgot to include the "at the expense of others". it's part of the rules of the exercise. 50%+1 decides whether some die or everyone lives. An adequate Theory of Mind is that *someone* will press blue. Thus, each person who presses red increases the chance people will die. They do so based on the rules full explained. You need to face that logical reality. Each person who presses blue increases the chance that everyone will live. It's okay to value your survival, even to the point of being at the cost of other people's lives. Just own up to it.