John Ford
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John Ford
@john_ford77
Anglo-French Financier. Father, husband, and one-time particle physicist.
London, Pau, Newcastle Katılım Haziran 2010
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@Princess4life90 I shall be drafting an application, comprising all relevant information sent to me by end of this week, to be sent to the Attorney General for him to action.
So far as I am aware there are 3 or 4 of these chaps who misuse the law in this way.
Each must be stopped and this is how.
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Although vexatious status has no direct impact on criminal complaints, the fact that a chap has formally been declared vexatious will have an impact on police & CPS assessments of the chap's credibility& reliability.
Vexatious status will thus effectively shut the chap down.
Colin Wynter KC@QcWynter
@drljultra @LegalGengar @JudiciaryUK Judiciary does not act. Individuals act and petition the AG who, if he does his job properly, will apply to the High Court for an order that the chap be declared a vexatious litigant. Will mean he must obtain court permission for any future civil claims. gov.uk/guidance/vexat…
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@xtinethomas01 @peter_baye48767 @bea_johanssen @LeoMontague91 Had access, was explicitly told to seek expert advice on this very point, but just didn’t.
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@peter_baye48767 @john_ford77 @bea_johanssen @LeoMontague91 An unfortunate lack of knowledge then. As housing minister at the time, she should have been in a position to understand the rules and if not, she had easy access to professional people who would have been happy to advise.
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Rayner - accidentally avoided £40k in tax, repaid the money, had to resign.
Tice - deliberately avoided £600k in tax, hasn’t repaid anything. 15x the money, infinitely more immoral. He’ll resign as an MP, right? He can just be a shadow MP going forward.
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@ThomasWillett9 One and three are not fundamental human rights.
You seem unable to understand that you wanting something to be a right doesn’t make it one.
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Here’s a few:
1. The fundamental human right to safe, competent, and accessible healthcare
2. The right to live free from discrimination, harassment, and violence
3. The right to access spaces that align with one’s gender identity
Josh Howie@joshxhowie
I seem to be having a fun few days of public confrontation which no doubt someone will accuse me of making up. But in cafe two young women decked out in rainbows and dyed hair stood up to leave and informed me they overheard my conversation and LGB Alliance are a transphobic organisation. I asked why she thinks that? She said they’re trying to take away trans rights. I asked her to name an example of just one trans right they were taking away. And they both blustered and I asked again and they stormed off. I might stay at home for a few days.
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'If the standards applied to Angela Rayner last year meant she had to resign, then the same standards must apply to Richard Tice here.'
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@peter_baye48767 @bea_johanssen @LeoMontague91 She was clearly told to get competent legal advice on this point and chose not to.
You might pretend that that was just one more innocent mistake, but I don’t.
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@john_ford77 @bea_johanssen @LeoMontague91 She she didn't know that trusteeship for a dependant counted as ownership for the purposes of stamp duty, she thought that when you sold a property you no longer owned it, which I would imagine is most people's understanding.
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@QcWynter @drljultra @LegalGengar @JudiciaryUK I suppose so, but wonder then how he pays for all his flights, holidays and first class train travel.
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@john_ford77 @drljultra @LegalGengar @JudiciaryUK I don't know but it is possible that he is a "man of straw", with no assets that can be seized and no regular income to which any court order can be attached.
That would make him pretty much immune, other than in terms of his credit rating.
"Vexatious" is the obvious route.
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So, Stephanie Hayden now owes:
- £20,000 (@LegalGengar)
- £35,000 (Daily Mail - interest accruing)
- £15,000 (Family Education Trust)
- £15,000 (ex-landlord)
- £3500 (Adrian Yalland)
Approaching £100,000. All cases funded by the taxpayer. When are @JudiciaryUK going to act?
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There’s still a fundamental distinction here.
Angela Rayner was investigated over whether stamp duty was owed and ultimately paid what HMRC determined was due.
In the case of Richard Tice, the allegation relates to legal tax planning under the current rules. If something is lawful under the tax code, it isn’t the same as failing to pay a tax that was actually owed.
If people think the rules allow too much tax planning, that’s a debate about changing the system. But presenting legal arrangements as if they’re the same thing as unpaid tax is where the comparison starts to fall apart.
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@peter_baye48767 @bea_johanssen @LeoMontague91 She retained her interest in it but did not declare it, so evaded tax.
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@bea_johanssen @LeoMontague91 Actually she didn't lie, at the time of the transaction she had sold her previous property and therefore would only be liable for single stamp duty, because she would spend more time elsewhere the flat was declared as a second home paying double council tax.
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@QcWynter @drljultra @LegalGengar @JudiciaryUK Any thoughts on how he’s able to avoid paying?
It makes a mockery of the concept that the losing party can be held liable for the costs they force others to incur.
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@drljultra @LegalGengar @JudiciaryUK Judiciary does not act. Individuals act and petition the AG who, if he does his job properly, will apply to the High Court for an order that the chap be declared a vexatious litigant. Will mean he must obtain court permission for any future civil claims.
gov.uk/guidance/vexat…
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I’ve been on finance for thirty years, this attempt at a semantic shift came in a few years ago and was absolutely pushed by the government.
You can play along with it if you like, I’m not going to. The entire point is to let people like you feel smug about your own avoidance while screeching at others’ equivalent behaviour.
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@john_ford77 @DanielJHannan @TiceRichard It’s not semantic games
ISAs and pensions are constructed explicitly to save without paying tax. That is their purpose
Tax avoidance is using legal schemes in a way not originally intended to reduce tax
Those are different activities not semantics
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It’s hardly my job to defend @TiceRichard. But there is nothing wrong with legal tax avoidance. Legal tax avoidance is what you do when you buy an ISA. If you dislike the specific arrangements he had, change the rules. But don’t complain that he was following existing rules.
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@ali__samson That depends on the returns you make.
How much tax have you avoided by using your tax-free allowance?
Or is that somehow different?
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How much do I need to put in my ISA to avoid £600,000 in tax?
Daniel Hannan@DanielJHannan
It’s hardly my job to defend @TiceRichard. But there is nothing wrong with legal tax avoidance. Legal tax avoidance is what you do when you buy an ISA. If you dislike the specific arrangements he had, change the rules. But don’t complain that he was following existing rules.
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No, there’s a push to change the meaning to this but It’s always been the case before that avoidance included pensions, ISAs, buying in duty-free and so on.
I’m not inclined to play along with these semantic games to try to paint completely legal tax decisions as somehow immoral in order to shame those who use them.
It’s generally done by people happy to use their tax free allowance too, the one that higher earners don’t get.
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It’s a common misconception
ISAs and pensions are constructed solely for the purpose of reducing tax
Tax avoidance legally reducing tax using schemes in a way not originally intended
Rich people and newspapers love conflating the 2 because it makes it seem like tax avoidance is perfectly normal and ‘just like everyone else’ it’s really not
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@CharlesTerf @LegalGengar I assume Fat Tony won’t pay; any thoughts on how he seems able to keep launching litigation despite not settling his costs?
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Hayden v Heath @LegalGengar was the expected train crash for Hayden. Hayden’s submissions on adjourning the quantum of costs as well as the principle of costs completely failed. Matthew has secured a costs order in his favour with a payment on account of £20k within 28 days. 😂😂
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@DaveYates86 @DanielJHannan @TiceRichard Different how?
Is you using your tax-free allowance different too?
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ISAs are t considered tax avoidance
They’re a specific tool created by the government to encourage saving
Tax avoidance isn’t all created equal either. Even if you think ISAs count clearly they’re different to creating a shell company in a tax haven and a complex intercompany loan structure
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@DanielJHannan I wonder how many of those complaining take advantage of their personal tax-free allowance.
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As the responses here show, people tend to see as proper only those forms of legal tax avoidance that they personally employ. I wrote about the phenomenon a while ago. capx.co/in-praise-of-t…
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Surely you understand the two things are completely different. Opening an ISA is what Parliament intended. Wriggling through loopholes using offshore trusts is not.
Daniel Hannan@DanielJHannan
It’s hardly my job to defend @TiceRichard. But there is nothing wrong with legal tax avoidance. Legal tax avoidance is what you do when you buy an ISA. If you dislike the specific arrangements he had, change the rules. But don’t complain that he was following existing rules.
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@VictoriaZeev @elonmusk We should not judge the 1% of them who are not dangerous perverts by the actions of the 99% who are…
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@elonmusk One person’s crime doesn’t prove an entire online community is unsafe, posts like this deliberately conflate the individual with the group.
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@GunkLivin @CaPtAiN_PuDdInG @Wolfez0r @RobotPolisher But how are you going from stating that things can be faked to asserting that this is faked?
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@john_ford77 @CaPtAiN_PuDdInG @Wolfez0r @RobotPolisher This is just an example how they can fake stuff. They can. They have and they will. The only question is this real or fake?
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Imagine sincerely believing this “spaceship” is traveling 10x faster than a bullet lol
How is it possible grown “men” actually think this is real!
We’re cooked bro…
Historic Vids@historyinmemes
This is the moment the Space Shuttle performs its flip, allowing the International Space Station crew to visually inspect the shuttle’s heat shield before docking.
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@jevans17461775 @blaiklockBP An effective marginal rate of 62% plus the loss of state-funded child care.
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Someone on 99k is better off than someone on 110k
How can that be right ?
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