Kevin Mak

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Kevin Mak

Kevin Mak

@kevin__mak

CIO of Creek Drive Capital, Lecturer at Stanford GSB. See Disclosures: https://t.co/om9Ugw6X2O

Katılım Mayıs 2026
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Kevin Mak
Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
@DueDoctor It’s a cute idea but you can really only see it in retrospect. IMO if someone stepped up to bid for 1m shares at $155.. Or if there wasn’t indiscriminate sellers above $150 Or if the maint data came out at 32% instead of 39%, This entire episode never would have happened
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DoctorDueDiligence@DueDoctor·
Pod Idea - Exploit Catalysts in Volatile Sectors Core idea - if you own 1% of the outstanding shares you can most likely cause a 30%+ crash and then accumulate shares If you time it around a catalyst you can cause 50%+ crash If options available an insane amount of return is out there Key Factors - Stock MC: 1% ideally if company is greater than $500MM so $5MM or more As algos are used more and more by sophisticated hedge funds you can essentially weaponize it against the broader market to create value by swinging the pendulum hard 1. Certain sectors are more susceptible to volatility but imo Biotech may be the most susceptible because of data dumps that greatly affect *perceived* value 2. When generalists are involved their actions are slow but reactions are fast 3. There are groups that due to portfolio-level risk discipline will be forced to sell (see below) 4. Besides myself there were 3 others who noticed the cancer myth in $ABVX on X within 24 hours. Let’s say there’s 300 people total who have a mix of experience, knowledge, and risk who can capitalize quickly (I was quickest if you remember, within minutes on the call), that means a vast majority of funds, pods, retail, etc do not have a person who can decide/decipher the data quickly and efficiently. They are then subject to swings and given the stress of panic, in the fog of war likely to make a mistake. A fund who capitalized on this could have an amazing return even if they did this once a year, it just needs the right set up and prior planning. -DDD
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak

$ABVX Update Disclosure: Long shares of ABVX. We've had a lot to say about this over the past month. It's one of our largest positions and has given people a ton of opportunities and turmoil through the volatility. I'll start with my narrative of what I think happened, and then talk about how we managed our position through it. I realize this may sound retrospectively biased, but there's a handful of people that talked to me during the whole saga that can confirm these were my thoughts and beliefs in real-time. --- We all know the topline data on June 1st came out very positive, ahead of expectations, with some cancer notes that were deemed "no safety signal." The stock initially gapped up to the $155–$170 range and traded there for a few minutes, about ~400k shares traded. In my opinion, the sellers of the stock at these levels were largely indiscriminate sellers taking profits from the pop in the stock price. They were not sharp investors that saw the cancer data and knew the stock was destined to plummet 50%. 400k shares is not many, but more surprisingly (or arguably not surprisingly at all), there were very few buyers at $150+. Consistent with the article I wrote back in January, in my opinion, there is very little dry powder left to chase ABVX (or biotech in general). Funds that like the name are already at or above their risk limits, and investors who have no position generally aren't terribly interested in buying higher at this time, with this information set. The stock fell below $150 and on very little volume, quickly returned to the $133 pre-data level. Mass confusion set in as everyone was saying "why aren't we trading higher, the data is ahead of most estimates." That's when people started looking at the cancer data panel and saying "is this the problem?" In my opinion, the data was never the problem. But the price narrative turned it into one. It made people doubt themselves, leading them to not buy, or even sell. Some people who were overlevered had to sell. Just over 1M shares of trading moved the stock from $150 to $90 in about 10 minutes. That's a little over 1% of shares outstanding and a 40% move in the stock. I think a large portion of this phase of selling was a gamma squeeze of options market makers. There was a fair number of people who held put options to hedge their long positions. The market makers, when the stock was at $130 or $150, were short very few shares to hedge their short put exposure. As the stock ratcheted down from $150 to $130 to $100 to $90, the market makers had to short ABVX shares to delta-hedge, and the absence of buyers (due to the price driving the narrative) meant there was a liquidity vacuum. Prices snowballed downward until finally there was a bid from extreme-dip buyers in the $70–$90 range. I personally know people who were largely unaware of the name saying "hey, maybe I should pick up some shares here at $80, what do you think?" When we talk about price discovery, we think about the market knowing more than you do. So when the stock is falling, it is genuinely plausible that someone knows something and you should pause, delay, re-assess. But it doesn't always mean someone knows something. Sometimes it's mechanical, forced flows that happen to give off the wrong signal. In this case, that is what appears to have happened. A very short quote that I said during those days that sums it up: "There have been over 100,000 words written to defend the ABVX data, and essentially no words drawing serious concern. But the price appears to tell you everything you need to know." "Appears" is doing a lot of work in that sentence, and the price, in hindsight, now seems to have been exceptionally wrong. If you look at the totality of the Phase 3 Maintenance Part 1 and Part 2 data, the analytical consensus is that the cancer scare is largely benign and the drug efficacy is significantly better than previously expected. All things equal, we believe the data supports a materially higher valuation than where the stock was pre-data. ---- With that narrative in place, and given our investing style, which is to underwrite stocks aggressively and buy weakness and sell strength, I wish I could give you a heroic story about how we navigated this situation perfectly. The truth is pretty far from that. A key part of our strategy is to underwrite aggressively and update our positioning to reflect new information. During the post-data halt, we revised our estimate of fair value significantly higher. The data was great, and the cancer scare inconsequential. We added a substantial number of shares post-halt to reflect our updated view. As discussed above, the stock fell over 50% in a matter of an hour, causing a large loss. Realized or unrealized is irrelevant, a loss is a loss. Having just added at those levels, we would have loved to buy more as the stock fell further, but portfolio-level risk discipline prevented us from doing so. That's not me blaming risk controls. They exist for a reason and that reason is a very good one. We've largely held through the volatility. At current levels, we are worse off for having added than we would have been doing nothing. But the data validated our thesis and the analytical consensus has moved in our direction. We remain confident that the drug's approval and eventual commercialization, whether standalone or via acquisition, will be significantly valuable. Disclosure: Creek Drive and its affiliated funds may hold positions in securities discussed. Views expressed are current opinions for informational educational only, subject to change and are not investment advice or a recommendation to buy or sell any security. Investing involves the risk of loss and past performance is not indicative of future performance. See the disclosures link above for more important information.

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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
@0xDataWolf Thanks for the suggestion. I’ve thought about it in the past and arrived at this: More thorough content gets posted as an article. More short term topical stuff gets posted as a regular tweet. Yes Twitter search does suck.
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Data Wolf 🐺
Data Wolf 🐺@0xDataWolf·
@kevin__mak Good sir, I would humbly request that your longer form content be put into articles so they are easy to find. Tweets can easily be lost in long posts like this (and twitter seach sucks), esp when you increase the frequency of posts.
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Kevin Mak
Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
$ABVX Update Disclosure: Long shares of ABVX. We've had a lot to say about this over the past month. It's one of our largest positions and has given people a ton of opportunities and turmoil through the volatility. I'll start with my narrative of what I think happened, and then talk about how we managed our position through it. I realize this may sound retrospectively biased, but there's a handful of people that talked to me during the whole saga that can confirm these were my thoughts and beliefs in real-time. --- We all know the topline data on June 1st came out very positive, ahead of expectations, with some cancer notes that were deemed "no safety signal." The stock initially gapped up to the $155–$170 range and traded there for a few minutes, about ~400k shares traded. In my opinion, the sellers of the stock at these levels were largely indiscriminate sellers taking profits from the pop in the stock price. They were not sharp investors that saw the cancer data and knew the stock was destined to plummet 50%. 400k shares is not many, but more surprisingly (or arguably not surprisingly at all), there were very few buyers at $150+. Consistent with the article I wrote back in January, in my opinion, there is very little dry powder left to chase ABVX (or biotech in general). Funds that like the name are already at or above their risk limits, and investors who have no position generally aren't terribly interested in buying higher at this time, with this information set. The stock fell below $150 and on very little volume, quickly returned to the $133 pre-data level. Mass confusion set in as everyone was saying "why aren't we trading higher, the data is ahead of most estimates." That's when people started looking at the cancer data panel and saying "is this the problem?" In my opinion, the data was never the problem. But the price narrative turned it into one. It made people doubt themselves, leading them to not buy, or even sell. Some people who were overlevered had to sell. Just over 1M shares of trading moved the stock from $150 to $90 in about 10 minutes. That's a little over 1% of shares outstanding and a 40% move in the stock. I think a large portion of this phase of selling was a gamma squeeze of options market makers. There was a fair number of people who held put options to hedge their long positions. The market makers, when the stock was at $130 or $150, were short very few shares to hedge their short put exposure. As the stock ratcheted down from $150 to $130 to $100 to $90, the market makers had to short ABVX shares to delta-hedge, and the absence of buyers (due to the price driving the narrative) meant there was a liquidity vacuum. Prices snowballed downward until finally there was a bid from extreme-dip buyers in the $70–$90 range. I personally know people who were largely unaware of the name saying "hey, maybe I should pick up some shares here at $80, what do you think?" When we talk about price discovery, we think about the market knowing more than you do. So when the stock is falling, it is genuinely plausible that someone knows something and you should pause, delay, re-assess. But it doesn't always mean someone knows something. Sometimes it's mechanical, forced flows that happen to give off the wrong signal. In this case, that is what appears to have happened. A very short quote that I said during those days that sums it up: "There have been over 100,000 words written to defend the ABVX data, and essentially no words drawing serious concern. But the price appears to tell you everything you need to know." "Appears" is doing a lot of work in that sentence, and the price, in hindsight, now seems to have been exceptionally wrong. If you look at the totality of the Phase 3 Maintenance Part 1 and Part 2 data, the analytical consensus is that the cancer scare is largely benign and the drug efficacy is significantly better than previously expected. All things equal, we believe the data supports a materially higher valuation than where the stock was pre-data. ---- With that narrative in place, and given our investing style, which is to underwrite stocks aggressively and buy weakness and sell strength, I wish I could give you a heroic story about how we navigated this situation perfectly. The truth is pretty far from that. A key part of our strategy is to underwrite aggressively and update our positioning to reflect new information. During the post-data halt, we revised our estimate of fair value significantly higher. The data was great, and the cancer scare inconsequential. We added a substantial number of shares post-halt to reflect our updated view. As discussed above, the stock fell over 50% in a matter of an hour, causing a large loss. Realized or unrealized is irrelevant, a loss is a loss. Having just added at those levels, we would have loved to buy more as the stock fell further, but portfolio-level risk discipline prevented us from doing so. That's not me blaming risk controls. They exist for a reason and that reason is a very good one. We've largely held through the volatility. At current levels, we are worse off for having added than we would have been doing nothing. But the data validated our thesis and the analytical consensus has moved in our direction. We remain confident that the drug's approval and eventual commercialization, whether standalone or via acquisition, will be significantly valuable. Disclosure: Creek Drive and its affiliated funds may hold positions in securities discussed. Views expressed are current opinions for informational educational only, subject to change and are not investment advice or a recommendation to buy or sell any security. Investing involves the risk of loss and past performance is not indicative of future performance. See the disclosures link above for more important information.
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Oz@limpozzman·
@kevin__mak Do you think BO discussion will be drawn out or relatively quick?
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
@JasonSTLxYz I think this was the experience of most people. Dumbfounded (and not buying). If nobody is willing to step up and buy, then the (very small) amount of selling has a disproportionate effect on the stock price.
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Jason
Jason@JasonSTLxYz·
I remember watching that after hours price action. At first was elated on my existing $ABBX position when the stock got into the upper $100’s. Then dumbfounded when it dropped towards $70 and wasn’t sure what I missed. Did try putting some low bids just in case something really crazy happened but never got filled. In retrospect, although the stock recovered in the next several days, I think it hovered at/near/even below $100. That was probably the time to buy.
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Vanilla
Vanilla@Vanilla_btc·
@kevin__mak Even more intriguing is the second random dump in mid to late June no? thoughts?
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
@limpozzman Any BO price will be a very wide range depending on how many suitors are at the table. My view is pretty similar to consensus biotwitter. But I think it’s reasonably skewed to the upside compared to current market prices.
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Oz@limpozzman·
@kevin__mak May I ask your thoughts on estimated BO price? And within what frame?
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
What matters most isn’t the strict Kelly weighting, it’s the “directionally correct Kelly”. Ie, in the absence of new information, you should not be building a larger position as the price goes up because that’s opposite of Kelly. That’s assuming you’re starting from a sufficiently large position, and assuming market price information holds very little information. And, subject to some sort of Maximum risk management constraint to control for risk of ruin. You shouldn’t just keep adding indiscriminately as it goes down in case you’re completely wrong/fraud/etc.
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IL@misterivanl·
@kevin__mak In such distribution of scenario (highly asymmetric), what system works best for positioning? Common method like (half) Kelly, as you wrote before, would expose the portfolio to huge downside risks (if luck isn't on our side) Or simply follow the max weighting rule?
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
@frothyassets @anidesh7 Fully hedged (notionally). Agreed, maybe we end up below $150 at opex. If so, I will retain a tiny position of stock, < 1% weight.
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
Update on $SPHR When/if you eventually see my 13F for Q2, you'll notice that my position in $SPHR is very small, around 1%, and it's fully hedged with July $150C's that I have written. Consider that at one point I had a portfolio of weight of 26% in Sphere (at sub $30). I had a sizable position in Sphere, early on, because I believed there was a large mispricing in the common stock. I believed I had "alpha", and wrote about it. The quick summary is: A) Nobody was modelling the business correctly (just literally basic excel sheets and unit economics were wrong). B) People didn't understand the concert business (expecting fewer than 50 concerts per year) C) People didn't appreciate the film business (with $35 ticket prices, and incorrect seating charts) D) People didn't trust James Dolan. Over the past two years, the market has "caught up" to my thinking (either because I had a lucky hunch, or because I had a smart forecast), and almost all of those facts are generally priced into the stock. In short, my "alpha" in SPHR is largely gone, I have a consensus-ish view. I love the business, and I love the venue. I've been there countless times and plan to keep going. I also think that the long term prospects of the business are very positive. I think over the next 10 years we'll see 6-12 Spheres built and it will be a global franchise. That view makes it, in my opinion, an investment worth holding for the long term. Something that resembles a "solid compounder" that returns above-index returns year after year since the business can generate cash and reinvest their capital at a high IRR/NPV. For my style of investing however, it doesn't suit my portfolio at its current price, with its current prospects. Hence, my current position reflects that. I say this because I think it's important for people who follow me to appreciate that I follow the same discipline that I teach. I was one of the largest supporters of the stock for the past two years, but price, or rather, expected return, always matters. Disclosure: Creek Drive and its affiliated funds may hold positions in securities discussed. Views expressed are current opinions for informational educational only, subject to change and are not investment advice or a recommendation to buy or sell any security. Investing involves the risk of loss and past performance is not indicative of future performance. See the disclosures link above for more important information.
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
@ChinmayB227 I’m not a systematic quant, so this doesn’t really apply to me. I seek out structural edge. And if it’s not working, I spend time investigating why my previous assumptions (and/or track record) may not hold anymore.
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Chinmay Belgaonkar@ChinmayB227·
@kevin__mak great post. if your system is rule-based, you dont have much room for learning from your losses given that you have backtested the system and assume the loss is just part of it. if you do try to learn from the loss, how do you make sure you dont overfit your system?
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
@JohnCIsMe I’m relieved it isn’t a smart post from a dumb person.
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John C@JohnCIsMe·
@kevin__mak This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever seen from a smart person.
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
$ASTS Update First of all, no current position in the stock. My general thoughts are pretty consistent with what I've said previously. I think the price has gotten in-line with/ahead of its fundamental business value (not fundamental financials, because those are largely irrelevant). What do I think it's worth as a business? Scenario A — Company is not very successful, gets $500M–$1B/year in revenues either due to market competition/constraints/etc. Company worth $3–10B. Scenario B — Company attains most of its technical goals, gets $2–5B/year in revenues. Company worth $20–30B. Scenario C — Company does very well, $10B/year in revenues. Company worth $30–80B. Scenario D — Company exceeds expectations, $50B/year in revenues. Company worth $250–500B. I like the prospects of (B) or (C) happening, and I've thought that ever since the stock was $6. I read the real-time stream of spacemob tweets, and I can see the path to D slowly forming, but I have no confidence in MY ability to forecast whether the company has a 2% or 25% chance of making that happen. Considering the current fully diluted market cap is around $35B (use an average rolling price, since any given week it moves around 25%), and given that $10B+ of revenues is, in my opinion, at least 3 years away, I don't really know why I'd hold a significant position in the stock. A lot of unknowns still need to work out for B/C to happen, let alone D. Yes, you can play the game of "the multiple will obviously be higher," but that's not a game I play. Also consider that my personal strategy is to look for stuff that is contrarian in nature: overlooked, under-appreciated. Those aren't the characteristics of ASTS anymore. Plus, a common comment is that staying on top of ASTS's fundamental developments was a full-time job on its own. I agree with that sentiment, and I think my time is better spent following stuff that has less "action" than ASTS. Obviously this is not financial advice, and to be clear, this doesn't mean I don't like the company or stock. I barely have a position in Sphere anymore and that's been my darling for years. Sometimes you just gotta let the little ones grow up and fly the coop! I'll revisit if the stock price or fundamental developments change materially. Disclosure: No Position in ASTS Disclosure: Creek Drive and its affiliated funds may hold positions in securities discussed. Views expressed are current opinions for informational educational only, subject to change and are not investment advice or a recommendation to buy or sell any security. Investing involves the risk of loss and past performance is not indicative of future performance. See the disclosures link above for more important information.
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
@MuratSonmezler I think cruise ships are different, where the carriers generally have starlink and charge $25/day for internet access. I can see D2D being very competitive in this setting, however it won’t work in your cabin (unless you have a balcony etc)
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
I think Starlink fixed satellite on planes is the most logical solution. D2D’s biggest advantage is portability. You don’t need a suitcase sized dish. For a large vessel like an airplane that impediment is relatively minor. I imagine 5 years from now broadband on airplanes will be free and ubiquitous. It’s such a major product differentiator and relatively easy to accomplish. The inseat entertainment system, (screen based or app based) costs more. I think the comp is hotels, where we used to all pay $15/day for internet in your room. Now it’s 98% free (some luxury hotels are still charging me).
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
Quoting $10b revenues and $30b valuation is using the absolute lowend of a valuation range with a midpoint revenue estimate to try to make a claim appear more extreme than it is. The error bars are enormous. Go the other way and say 7B of revenues and $80b valuation and “my plausible multiple” has expanded from 3x to 11x.
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
It’s probably multiple shells and overlapping coverage so 300-500+ birds, to get to $10B. How much do those cost to build/rebuild/replace/boost to keep everything in orbit? How much will future spectrum deals cost? How much does competition drive down government contact margins. How much is financed with straight debt? Does it take 3 years or 5 years or 10 years to ramp consumer revenue? How slowly does government revenue ramp? (Global govt’s are incompetent at ramping drone spend/production even though it’s a solved technology and demonstrably required by current conflicts.) Remember two years ago when we were talking about “the company can self fund the entire constellation with just $500m of cash”. I don’t doubt my numbers are wrong. Everyone’s are wrong because D2D is an industry that literally doesn’t exist yet (de minimus SpaceX/TMobile or Apple/Gsat doesn’t count). The path to $10B has so many assumptions stacked on assumptions, and even then, if I had to guess I still think they eventually get there. But the path is going to be far more bumpy than “launch 90 birds at $23m/bird that all stay in perfect orbit for 7 years and then sit back and let the 90% ebitda margin FCF roll in”. If people want to call me stupid and ignorant for not understanding how to value this business I’m happy to wear that hat. But what I think we can all agree on, and really the key part of my post, is that the last 20x return on the stock, (from ~$4 to $80) was far easier than THE NEXT 20x. The previous market mispricing was atrocious, because people thought 100% ASTS was going to fail despite them having demonstrated, every step of the way, that the technology works. Versus today there’s a much more reasonable and measured debate for different future outcomes that could go in different directions. And I concede I don’t have the right mandate, or skill set, or attention span to follow that.
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
@blissplz Or I don’t agree with your single comp. That happens to be the most meme company/person on earth?
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JUICE🧃🅰️@blissplz·
@kevin__mak I like your balanced takes, but it seems you’ve hugely discounted competitive valuation multiples, op. margins once revenue comes in, and premiums for category dominance. If it was priced to perfection, it’d be valued at $50-200 BN+ right now considering Starlink D2D’s value
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Kevin Mak@kevin__mak·
@DeauxWork I’m not an investor in SpaceX, and I don’t agree with a lot/most of their financials or projections.
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Joshua Green@DeauxWork·
@kevin__mak So you'd have to be calling complete and utter BS on spaceX TAM claims then right? Otherwise this post makes no sense IMO. Or you agree with SpaceX estimates and your sharing ASTS gets ~1% of the market?
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