larken fernandez
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@MikeBishop85062 @Catholic_bro Are you saying the catholic church doesn’t believe in the trinity?
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@larkfern @Catholic_bro The Trinity? No debate needed. Heretic. 🤷♂️
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Catholic misunderstandings often include topics like Holy Communion, the Sign of the Cross, the date of Christ’s birth, infant baptism, the concept of limbo, veneration of saints, the glorification of Mary, relics, images, Easter, Good Friday, the use of the censer, addressing priests as “Father,” Church history, repetitive prayers, the pope as the head of the Church, confession, Mary, the Trinity, original sin, and priestly celibacy. These are just some that come to mind quickly. Which one would you like to explore or debate further?
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No I’m not. For the sake of argument, I’ll give that to you. If you think the Aramaic is the authorized translation then I won’t be able to do anything to convince you. But you’ll have to remove from the Bible the verses I cited that contains Peter and Paul’s declaration that Christ is the rock or chief cornerstone. Is that invalid as well to support your belief that Peter is the rock?
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One term is masculine (Petros) and refers to a small stone, while the other is feminine (Petra), referring to a large rock or massive foundation stone. Catholics often argue that the two words mean exactly the same so they can support the claim that Peter himself is the rock upon which the Church is built.
However, if they insist that Petros and Petra carry the same meaning, then we should also consider what Peter and the other apostles themselves taught about who the true cornerstone is.
Peter clearly identifies Jesus—not himself—as the cornerstone:
Acts 4:11
“This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.”
Paul teaches the same thing:
Ephesians 2:20
“Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone.”
Paul also directly calls Christ the Rock:
1 Corinthians 10:4
“And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.”
Peter himself again points to Christ as the cornerstone:
1 Peter 2:6–8
“See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in Him will never be put to shame…
The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone…
A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
These passages consistently show that the apostles did not present Peter as the cornerstone of the Church. Instead, they repeatedly taught that Jesus Christ Himself is the true Rock and the chief cornerstone.
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@larkfern @PaulTalia2 @CatholicDrip___ No. But it does mean there are words that don’t translate exactly. Adelphos is one example.
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@TheStaad Im not a Protestant nor a catholic. Pls prove what you claimed. Thanks
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Jesus, in His earthly life, was a Palestinian Jew who spoke a form of Aramaic that no longer is spoken
English didn’t even begin to exist as a language in its most ancient form (unrecognizable to us today) until over 500 years later
The KJV Bible was commissioned in 1611 by a homosexual man in a language that would have been alien to people in biblical times
Dispensationalism and Zionism came even later than that
If you’re going to be a Christian, it makes the most sense to follow the authentic and unadulterated version of the faith
Christianity isn’t a game of telephone. We have Scripture, Tradition and historical writings from ancient Saints and fathers to prove it
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I think you may have the wrong understanding of what “saved” means. The Bible shows that there are stages in salvation. The first stage happens when a person chooses to accept Christ and goes through the process of being born again. At that point, the person is saved—saved from Satan and from the sinful life that once controlled them. That is why baptism is so important; it symbolizes being cleansed from the sins that once imprisoned the soul.
However, after that initial step, a person must continue to walk in Christ. Salvation is not just a one-time moment; it is a life that must be lived. Christ works in us, and we must also continue to walk in the path He prepared for us. God will never force someone away from that path, but a person can choose to turn away from it.
The Bible even shows examples of people who fell away because they did not continue in the faith. That is why Scripture repeatedly calls believers to remain faithful and to endure to the end. So yes, according to the Bible, a person can lose their salvation if they turn away from the life that Christ called them to live.
If you’d like, I can take more time later to write a fuller explanation and include the Bible verses that support this. I’m just getting ready to go to work right now, so I had to write this quickly.
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@Mendenhall4Dan @PaulTalia2 @CatholicDrip___ The New Testament was written in Koine Greek. Does the fact that it was written in Greek somehow make it less authoritative?
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Jesus and the Apostles spoke Aramaic, and the Aramaic word, Kepha, was spoken.
There is no delineation between “massive rock” and “small pebble” with the word kepha.
A simple Google search - which you could’ve done - shows:
Kepha (Aramaic: כֵּיפָא), sometimes spelled Cephas, is an Aramaic word meaning "rock" or "stone," primarily known as the name Jesus gave to the apostle Peter (John 1:42). Representing a solid, foundational rock (rather than a pebble), it is the original word used in the Aramaic (Syriac) tradition of Matthew 16:18.
Would you look at that? “Representing a solid, foundational rock.”
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Veneration is honoring someone.
If honoring someone is worship, then by this logic, we worship people at birthdays, funerals, weddings, etc.
Jody Berndt@JodyBerndt
@BasedDavePA Veneration is just worship of a lesser deity
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@Mendenhall4Dan @PaulTalia2 @CatholicDrip___ Correction: God the Father spoke to Peter through Jesus, telling him that He would build His Church upon this Rock. The Greek word “Petra” was used, meaning a massive rock, referring to who Jesus is.
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@larkfern @PaulTalia2 @CatholicDrip___ Does this affect the context of Matthew 16:18?
Peter was not speaking in this passage. Jesus was.
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One term is masculine (Petros) and refers to a small stone, while the other is feminine (Petra), referring to a large rock or massive foundation stone. Catholics often argue that the two words mean exactly the same so they can support the claim that Peter himself is the rock upon which the Church is built.
However, if they insist that Petros and Petra carry the same meaning, then we should also consider what Peter and the other apostles themselves taught about who the true cornerstone is.
Peter clearly identifies Jesus—not himself—as the cornerstone:
Acts 4:11
“This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.”
Paul teaches the same thing:
Ephesians 2:20
“Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone.”
Paul also directly calls Christ the Rock:
1 Corinthians 10:4
“And all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from the spiritual Rock that followed them, and the Rock was Christ.”
Peter himself again points to Christ as the cornerstone:
1 Peter 2:6–8
“See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in Him will never be put to shame…
The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone…
A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”
These passages consistently show that the apostles did not present Peter as the cornerstone of the Church. Instead, they repeatedly taught that Jesus Christ Himself is the true Rock and the chief cornerstone.
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@HumanBeingAlpha @BadTheoloTakes @CatholicDrip___ God the Father was the one who told Peter that when He spoke through Jesus..telling Peter that He will build His Church upon this Rock (Petra, and not Petros).
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@larkfern @BadTheoloTakes @CatholicDrip___ Jesus *literally* told him he was, right there in the bible, right after changing his name to "Rock".
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