@paul__is__here what's your story of why IBS in particular seems different than ulcerative colitis?
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Max Shen
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Max Shen
@maxkshen
Pain is a learning signal, not a measure of damage. Unlearn your pain @ https://t.co/9qU3QYXGXh Prev: cog sci @MIT
Cambridge, MA Katılım Haziran 2019
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when conditions are correlated with neuroticism, depression etc => dysfunction is higher up the stack, in the central nervous system vs gut lining cells
Crémieux@cremieuxrecueil
Irritable Bowel Syndrome is an odd condition. You might expect it to be related very strongly to other bowel conditions, right? But in most samples, it's actually more related to some aspects of mental health than it is to conditions like ulcerative colitis or Crohn's disease.
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@Meaningness @FractalBranches @meta_nomad @embryosophy very happy to chat and see if i can help or point you to someone who can. there are often many more options than people realize
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@FractalBranches @meta_nomad @embryosophy @maxkshen (I think? not certain.)
Max offers pain debugging services; you might contact him!
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I still have these migraines, constantly, every day. Drs now saying it's not occipital neuralgia, they just don't know, and every medical scan and test is clear.
As such, I am offering £500 (+ usual practice costs) to anyone who can solve this.
I'm based in the UK.
James de Llis@meta_nomad
Daily migraines for 2 years. Pain is located in the red circle, down to the base of the skull and neck muscles. MRI of head, clean CT of ear canal, clean Painkillers do little-to-nothing What do I do?
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@Meaningness @FractalBranches @meta_nomad @embryosophy the book is healing back pain by john sarno. it is helpful for many, but I’m quite uncertain it’ll help here.
very short and quick read in either case
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@maxkshen I suspect there’s a lot of interesting biophoton stuff just coming online that could effectively proxy and help generalize what we mean by stress, eg @niroshajmurugan ‘s work (her and Martin’s eR paper is also great)
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temp body maps / short videos of movement condensed / pupilometry and HRV / myotonometer for muscle tension / skin conductance
any other interesting ways to measure biological stress?
Michael Edward Johnson@johnsonmxe
An emerging theme from somatic/morphogenic/bioelectricity research could be summarized as “we need this sort of visualization but for biological tissues & systems” This is both a question of substrate (what to measure) and tech (how to measure it)
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2nd, what I'm calling "Alignment with Awakening" (synonyms: "Bodhisattva as an Alignment Target", "Summoning Angels instead of Demons", "Religion for AIs"... very open to other naming suggestions!) has, in my view, become increasingly urgent and tractable over the last year. 5/15
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Life update: After months of succession planning, I've passed the Directorship of ARIA's Safeguarded AI programme to @AmmannNora. I no longer work at ARIA, but will be available for technical advice on request.
What's next for me? The short answer: "Alignment with Awakening". ⬇️
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@maebichka @relic_radiation happy to just chat and offer any common patterns I'm noticing
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@relic_radiation @maxkshen Hahah ooh this is the third time someone's recommended him, nice to hear it from you too:) like when you do work on each other you don't feel an effect?
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i once again have low back pain so acute that it hurts when i sneeze. once it was so bad for a few days i couldn't stand upright or walk at a normal pace
but even default state is like 3-4/10 pain, stiff/can't bend
i want to HIRE someone, any modalities (incl woo) u recommend?
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@relic_radiation @maebichka yeah i'd say there's a thing where we feel a bit tense or guarded by being guided by each other (though we appreciate each other!) that gets in the way of receiving — just means we aren't a good fit for each other right now
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more "we can definitely feel it doing something but it feels discordant to how our bodies want to be met" -> resistance / not a fit
maybe specifically because we're each so deep into our own thing right now, and getting good results from it and don't want to muddy the waters?
an open question for me, tbh
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@johnsonmxe Ignorance! Are they happening?
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An emerging theme from somatic/morphogenic/bioelectricity research could be summarized as “we need this sort of visualization but for biological tissues & systems”
This is both a question of substrate (what to measure) and tech (how to measure it)
Mechanical Knowledge@mechanical_4u
Photoelasticity- how engineers “saw” stress in the 70’s Photoelasticity (often called photostress) was the go-to way to “see” stress in transparent parts from about the 1940s to the 1980s. Engineers coated or made models from special plastics, then viewed them under polarized light—stress showed up as colorful fringe patterns, making high-stress areas easy to spot. Before that, stress was measured with mechanical strain gauges or calculated by hand. Today, it’s mostly replaced by digital strain gauges and finite element analysis (FEA), which give faster, more precise results without physical models.
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@VarunGodbole definitely not somatics — mostly the mindfulness people are unaware of the somatic tradition
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@maxkshen Oh wow I hadn't even heard of this before! Is the stuff Jon Kabat-Zinn did to apply mindfulness practices for pain management an example of somatics, or is that something different?
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why hasn't somatics become mainstream science?
my guess
1) main pioneers were para-academic (eg feldenkrais could have been a physics prof, but not a somatics prof)
2) scientists/intellectuals in general do not have the subtle bodily awareness to realize these practices are real
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every month i meet someone like this -- about to get wrist surgery, recovers after we talk and they read sarno
Yush@yush_g
met someone a month ago who's carpal tunnel was so bad that they were scheduling surgery for about a month out. I told them to order sarnos book and talk to @maxkshen, and yesterday he mentioned that his pain is completely gone and surgery cancelled
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emotions, thought, and abstract math are all to some extent embodied
(embodied = reflecting sensory and motor constraints of the body)
emotions are embodied:
if you are unblocked you can feel sadness in the chest. (look at that Nummenmaa 2014 'bodily maps of emotions' study)
thought is embodied: babies can grasp drink bottle with hands but not their minds (early on they have no concept of 'drink bottle'). slowly they learn to internalize body routines. thought begins as increasingly abstract hallucinations of sensorimotor loops. crawling to pick up a drink bottle eventually becomes "mommy i want milk" — motor movement short-circuited (see @meaningness superb 'Abstract Reasoning as Emergent from Concrete Activity').
math is embodied:
numbers are collections of objects, arithmetic operations are object-construction operators (pooling, splitting, matching). in linear algebra also: the vector is a pointer through space, and matrices rotate, stretch, shear — all things you can feel in your experience. higher math gets trickier, but remember that terence tao anecdote about rolling on the ground to solve the wave maps equation. (see also David Bessis mathematica, Nunez and Lakoff 2004)
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@pattern_noticr @GraduatedBen did this happen in the last couple of years? if so, would you be open to being interviewed about your experience? running a qualitative study on how sarno's book works
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@GraduatedBen I had chronic (what I thought was) RSI in my elbow. I got 1/4 through this book and the pain was literally gone and never returned. Sounds too insane to believe but if all the doubters actually read just the first 50 pages they would realize it makes total sense.
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Reading Sarno’s description of how most back pain is caused by the way we subconsciously hold psychological tension in the body was enough to make me aware of the tension, which I then relaxed, and the herniated disk in my lower back immediately popped back into place.
Shakes, A Large And Aesthetic Man@TheFatAmerican
This book initiated a healing in me so profound that it was one of the most real things I have ever experienced
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