mook
308 posts
@nmyszh6666 楚国三支除了闽林那支可能新石器-青铜早期是黄淮来的，另外两支就是长江屈石起源，摸骨能证明什么？青铜早期新石器的周天子骨头更北，常染是可以通过通婚改变的
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第一，广东不是一半中原父系，而是一半青铁岭南父系外加一半青铁长江流域父系
第二，五胡乱华，五代十国什么的天下大乱，南逃的大部分还真就是流民。衣冠南渡的前提首先你得是有钱有地位的衣冠，这些人占比有没有1%都不知道，流民就叫“伧子”，衣冠主要到江汉，江南这类地方，不会跑到岭南，熟地被南方士族把握，新来的士族拿生地。那么剩下绝大部分的流民去向就是沦为南方士族和北来士族的奴客/佃农/部曲炮灰等。江南/豫章很多特色姓氏如陆，顾，朱，程，雷，熊，叶，曾，方等之类的大族，爆发点基本都是在汉～魏晋通过大量兼并土地和到处打山越抓流民当部曲奴仆这么发展来的（福建晋安陈也是江西润来的）岭南也类似，赵佗那会岭南没多少人就得和本地人妥协合辑百越，不要说秦～汉～唐政策就是本地无或少赋税徭役，本地土著硬是靠自己那点人留下一半土著父系
宋岑臨@canton_ss
@shunshui8899 @shhlh134789 @CMaiden32661 @elizabe73713497 當年有錢南逃的多半都是中產以上或者士紳階層，流民（窮人）哪有資產來南逃？
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@threeeyedbarrel @n30n5223434 As there are no extant Ming shields the only remaining examples are Korean.
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@MeeRebus11 Look at 23mofang uniparentals, you don't anything about Southern Han genetics. x.com/blackym25/stat…
blackhumor@blackym25
我参考魔方的数据汇集6支青铜时期长江流域三国吴越楚贵族Ydna叠加做的分布图 I created this distribution map by overlaying the Y-DNA data of 6 Bronze Age aristocratic lineages from the Wu, Yue, and Chu kingdoms in the Yangtze River Basin, which I compiled based on data from 23mofang. O-f319 先吴文化 O-f619 先越文化 O-f793 春秋楚地大族2 O-cts8998 春秋楚地大族1 O-Fgc19707 商周楚地大族
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@MeeRebus11 Read the paper, Austronesians are more than just Yangtze MN. Kra-Dai are even more complicated.
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@MeeRebus11 This is very misleading, Fujian LN is not representative of the Yangtze source for Southern coastal Han.
Southern Han are largely descended from bronze and iron age Yangtze(Chu, Wu, Yue) which have additional Huai and Yellow River ancestry.
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A 2022 study states that Han Chinese in Fujian and Guangdong genetics have Late Neolithic sources (35.0–40.3%), which are more significant in modern Ami, Atayal and Kankanaey (66.9–74.3%), and less significant Zhejiang (22%), Jiangsu (17%) and Shandong (8%).
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@threeeyedbarrel @daisy6401496693 @blackmyth983046 @kaiju_tebasaki Other than self enumeration, Japanese claims of enemy combatants/casualties is exagerated to a ridiculous degree often exceeding the total number of Ming soldiers involved in the war. Byeokjegwan being a prime example.
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@daisy6401496693 @blackmyth983046 @kaiju_tebasaki Relevant quotes from book above.
Most Wiki articles on the Imjin War are poorly written because they are basically warzones between chinese, japanese, and korean nationalists.
The 10k+ casualties for Ming is absurd
And the 9k dead for Japan is too high as well and makes no sense
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@threeeyedbarrel @Nevon00 @cyril_a @egasmb None of the authors have the linguistic mastery to cross reference sources from the other side. Hawley stands out as he can't actually read any primary sources.
Even if you can't read Chinese, google translating 《萬歷朝鮮戰爭全史》is infinitely better.
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Some book recommendations on China that came to my mind
Poppy Coburn@kafkaswife
Does anyone have any good recommendations for books on China / Chinese history?
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@Truthiness__ @amvria190258 @aaaaaaa473 There is no evidence of a seperate migration wave from the Upper Yangtze to Fujian, Tanka uniparental markers from the study are shared with Fujian Han.
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It's very likely the Tanka trace back to the Dan (蜑 / 巴蜑 / 夷蜑) groups of the Ba region. Historical records place them in Chongqing, western Hubei, and the Three Gorges, living on boats sailing up and down the Yangtze. Some sources say parts the Dan made up the ruling elite of Ba. They are also grouped under labels like Man (蛮) and Liao (僚), which are tied to Kra-Dai populations, particularly the Kra branch.
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@kaiju_tebasaki If we use these numbers as a reference for Tachibana Muneshige's muster during the beginning of the invasion, he only had around 98-114 cavalry at Yeoseoghyeon.
x.com/kamaeatte/stat…
ストライクフォース@kamaeatte
個人的には近世（織豊期以降）の合戦に一番興味があるんですが、その理由としてこの時代は動員システムや兵種別編成、陣立て等が発達してそれらの記録が多数残されており、どういう武装でどういう戦い方をしていたのか比較的（あくまでも比較的）想像しやすいというのは大きいと思うんですよね
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@kaiju_tebasaki Tachibana Muneshige's 立花宗茂 combined force only had a maximum of 600-700 men see《宣祖昭敬大王實錄》.
This number is seemingly corroborated by「毛利氏四代実録 」. By the 12th lunar month of 1592, men(including non combatants) was reduced to 1,500(about 782 combatants).
日本語
『大陸の騎兵は日本の騎兵に対し優勢だった』というのはよくある誤解だ。
そもそも戦国末期の日本の東西における戦術志向の差を一切考慮していない。朝鮮出兵(壬辰戦争)で朝鮮半島に渡った将兵の主体は西国の者達、比較的軽量な鎧を纏い、徒歩で火縄銃手に急接近する戦術を好んだ者達だった。
Swadian Butter Apreciator@butter_swadian
@PROMAKOS_ Pero los Japonese flaqueaban en artillería, en construcción de buques y en caballería comparado a los Europeos. Estas limitaciones se dieron a relucir en la Guerra Imjin, en la que la caballería China y la artillería/armada Coreana eran las mejores armas contra los Japoneses.
日本語
@butter_swadian @kaiju_tebasaki There was no blockade, the Nagoya-Tsushima-Busan supply line was intact for the duration of the conflict.
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@kaiju_tebasaki De todas formas, el bloqueo Coreano del estrecho de Tsushima aseguró que la caballería Japonesa fuera escasa en números. Lo que más hizo daño a los Japoneses en la guerra Imjin fue esa combinación del bloqueo del estrecho y su inferioridad en artillería y caballería.
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@curtis_yarvin You do realize the narrative of the Five Emperors wasn't even established until the Spring and Autumn-Warring States period right? It was clearly of Eastern origin, primarily venerated by the state of Qi.
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TLDR: Yellow Emperor, inventor of Chinese civilization, actually the BLOND Emperor. Flavius. White Gods theory proved right again by Science—another W for Heyerdahl Ahnenerbe hardcore race anthropology
Cletus Van Damme@Callicleez
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@JVNE8888 @Orthon_Spaceman The Shang had their origins in Southern Hebei of the Xiaqiyuan culture not the steppe, the Early Shang had ties with the Yi Fang/Dong Yi of Shandong.
Late Shang saw an influx of Q-F1626 via Guifang, these warriors bolstered royal authority C-F10036 rather than replacing it.
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@mookymonk @Orthon_Spaceman About the genetic samples. There were individuals of chromosome Q-F1626. Which is common for the Shang cemeteries and related to Qiang or Rong (?)
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I don't know what it is about the shang dynasty in particular, but besides looking strangely meso-american at times (which Churchward built his whole Mu mythos on), it is always striking to me how its designs seem to convey a cruel personality somehow.
LeoDaVinciWave@LeoDaVinciWave
A Hafted Axe with Dragons from Ancient China, dating back to approximately 1300–1200 B.C.E. during the late Shang dynasty.
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@JohnSmithRoano @Orthon_Spaceman @JVNE8888 Q-M120 mediated by Ulaanzuukh never formed the ruling class of the Shang polity, they only entered during the Late Shang. Instead the Shang were intertwined with the Dong Yi who are much more Yangtze shifted.
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@Orthon_Spaceman @JVNE8888 the advantage of steppe thesis is that it does explain how chariots just come out of nowhere, also the shang practice of retainer burial is classically steppe
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@JVNE8888 @Orthon_Spaceman This is nonsense, go look at actual samples from the Shang dynasty.
academic.oup.com/mbe/article/43…
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@Orthon_Spaceman Shang was a dynasty probably invasive or composed an ethnic minority. Something like that.
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@eruphim @Far_Easternsky3 @Orthon_Spaceman Central/Eastern Shandong was populated by the Dong Yi not Shang proper, the core Shang populace such as Jiaoziniecun and Xisima are no more Southern shifted than YR_LN(Longshan).
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@Far_Easternsky3 @Orthon_Spaceman The Chengziya sector has almost 10% Austronesian DNA. Not significant, but seems slightly notable no? I assumed there would be more in the south
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@xiezhi139 @Truthiness__ Given their heavy uniparental(presumbably autosomal as well) contribution to modern Southern Han it is likely they would resemble one of the more Southern Sinitic topolects rather than being Kra-Dai.
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@Truthiness__ If Dai already have a Yellow River component, then where do southern Han stand in relation to the Dai? And what was the ethnic composition of the early states of the Yangtze river kingdoms Yue and Chu? Surely more north-shifted than the average modern Dai.
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Reconstruction of appearance of neolithic individual from Guangfulin in the Yangtse River Delta, birthplace of the Y-O1a expansion. The earliest common Ur-father of the southern Han, Baiyue, Austronesians, and Tai Kadai, had an East Asian and not a Southeast Asian phenotype.
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