Starbuck@starbuck24601
I don't disagree with what either you or Gavin are saying Nicky but its also worth bearing in mind how the processes involved in order to try and enforce accountability are themselves often extremely traumatising and dehumanising even with the best of intentions. I appreciate anecdotal data i, rightly, often seen as spurious but my expereince of what I am about to describe is not unique and there are numerous accounts of a similar nature available.
The P.I.M. process is out in place when Officers are involved in an incident, usually, when someone has been killed, died or has been seriously injured during Police contact. I've been through a few but two were particularly ghastly.
One was an individual that died in his cell in a Custody Suite. Natural causes, he was an alcoholic with a number of medical issues. At the point he collapsed in his cell I was at the Custody Desk reading out some charges for an RSO I had sent all day remanding. At this point I had been on duty for 17 hours. The medic pushed the panic alarm in the other person's cell when she saw him collapse. I was one of three Officers present who immediately ran down and commenced C.P.R. for about twenty minutes until an ambulance arrived. He was pronounced deceased at the scene.
At this point Custody is locked down. Noone can enter or leave and it is in essence treated as a crime scene. I spent about 5 hours with 7 of my colleagues (one of whom was brand new and extremely upset) whilst the IOPC were contacted and decided what they were going to do. During that time I had to complete the remand file, in Custody, for the gentleman I had originally been dealing with. Then we were all moved to what is known as the "goldfish bowl". It's a glass meeting room usually utilised by the SMT for briefings. Clearly therfore there is no privacy with everyone on duty walking past looking at us. Then the IOPC came. A pair. They refused to even look at us, one studiously looked at the ceiling and refused to make any eye contact at all. At the end of their speech about their processes and what would happen next we all thanked them regardless of what I perceived as an abysmal attitude. Certainly I afford the Suspects I deal with far greater respect. Then we had to watch CCTV of the entire incident, were briefed by legal representation and I had to write a statement about my history as a Police Officers training and expereince, actions taken and justifications for doing so. By this point I had been on duty for over thirty hours. I was not allowed to speak with anyone outside of those in the bowl including my family who were simply relayed a message from a senior Officer that I was safe. I was driven home after a 36 hour shift. In a truly dire turn of events our A.C.C. at time, a very decent man came to talk to us before we allowed to go home but had to leave to attend half way through for ANOTHER PIM process far more atrocious...
Armed Officers had been called alongside a Response Unit to sounds of a disturbance. When they attended on scene they were confronted with a male who had slaughtered with appalling brutality, a very brave man that had heard him abusing a child in a flat and tried to save him. When my colleagues arrived they had to force entry into the property where the Offender was still attempting to kill the child and when they did he attacked them with knife and during the struggle was shut dead. They all had to remain, for hours and hours, in their clothing covered in blood, bone and brain matter awaiting CSI, photographs and the IOPC until they could even change clothes and wash themselves. Can you imagine the mental distress that would cause in its entirety. None of the Officers involved remain within armed policing.
I encountered a similar level of "care" when deployed as a C.B.R.N. Officer to Salisbury for the second poisoning incident which resulted in Dawn Sturgess being killed. Due to the nature of Novichok, and its confirmed presence, we couldn't utilise our integral water hydration systems within our suits as it was identified as being a point if weakness by our scientific advisors. That meant a week working in 35 degree heat in a tight rubber suit and respirator in hellacious conditions during which one of the counter terrorist officers we were working with collapsed in scene and had to be brought out in extremely trying and time critical circumstances. By the time we able to safely extricate him for medical assistance we were under the impression he had died or was in the process of it. Thankfully he was alright and made a full recovery. The PIM process involved us all being stuck in a roasting tent until we were told the Officer was ok and nothing else needed to be done and to continue with the operation. At the end of my week long deployment I was sent back to my area with no debrief or indeed any meaningful interaction with anyone beyond the teammates I had been crewed with. I was sent immediately back to my normal duties and co tinued as nor al not hearing anything until about three months later I was sent an email asking for a duty statement.
I have dozens of similar anecdotes which means they are clearly a standard exoereince across Policing in our country. I cannot imagine what most people expect we should be subjected to in such instances but it would perhaps help the discussion if they at least know and have some idea of what is being placed onto, often, some very young shoulders.
I'm sorry for rambling on. I clearly got somewhat carried away there.