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If we did medical school admissions completely race blind: application without a photo or racial demographics, interview via zoom with camera off… Who would object, and why?












The deflection is thick with this one. The issue isn't diversity but lowering standards and choosing applicants based on race is illegal and you can try to twist that any way you want but the DOJ enforces those laws of the Court. Patients need/should have the best qualified.




Many of the men I most respect in the world are black men. Clarence Thomas. Thomas Sowell. Walter Williams. That doesn't mean less qualified black candidates should be given positions, based on their race, over more qualified white or Asian candidates. Because that would be RACIST.



I disagree with the Department of Justice going after Yale School of Medicine over DEI admissions policies and arguing that objective metrics like GPA and MCAT scores should dominate admissions decisions. The evidence does not support the idea that standardized test scores alone identify the best physicians. The MCAT predicts performance on other multiple-choice exams reasonably well. What MCAT scores do NOT predict are clinical judgment, communication, bedside skill, or physician performance. Put another way: doctors who test well tend to do well on examinations. But test scores do not predict how well they care for patients in clinics, hospitals, surgery, or real-world medicine. Meanwhile, more diverse physician workforces are associated with better preventive care, greater trust, improved access, and lower mortality in underserved communities. There is no objective evidence that excluding minority applicants within a reasonable score range improves patient outcomes. We need minority physicians in this country, and we have the data to prove why. So when people insist that “objective measures” alone should determine admission into medicine — while ignoring the evidence about what actually improves patient care — I increasingly see that argument as less about merit and more about preserving exclusion under the comforting language of statistics. "Equality feels like oppression to those who are privileged"






if you’re white and crying because you feel entitled to get into yale medical school you are the last kind of person that should be a doctor


@drterrysimpson You’re sounding desperate, but ultimately patients will have the last word, currently they don’t seem too happy with the new physician work force you’re creating




@DrCasteelEM Yeah see if I’m getting cut open and my life or my child’s life is dependent on a difficult procedure I don’t particularly give af of background of the surgeon or all the privilege they might or might not have had I just want the one with the best objective performance


@drterrysimpson For limited resources like slots at a top medical school, objective measures of competence like the high MCAT range should be the major factor in sorting applicants.

@drterrysimpson For limited resources like slots at a top medical school, objective measures of competence like the high MCAT range should be the major factor in sorting applicants.

Reading this headline you’d think Yale admitted 50 or 100 or 1000 black medical students. It is the grand total of 44 black students compared to 100s of Asian and White students that has caused this furor. Sending hugs to all black students who will suffer abuse.


This is not trivial. Your averages are being used to mask pretty large gaps. 56% medical school admit rate for black applicants with a 24-26 mcat and a 3.2-3.39 gpa Same score range - Asians/whites have a 6-8% admit rate


