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@KellMorrHK @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man Are you okay?

@originalkappamu @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man Busted this clown as badly as I busted LTV. Next clown?!!

People are surprised I am an anti-communist?

@KellMorrHK @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man You’re not even in the thread of replies where you asked the questions, your questions fly in the face of any real-world example, and you are criticizing my knowledge of a book you’re asking Gemini to summarize points for you

@originalkappamu @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man I asked two questions ad you are confused about dead labour vs living labour. Read Marx and come back when you can answer

@KellMorrHK @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man Exactly my point? It has to do with socially necessary labor time, try feeding that into your LLM on next reply

@originalkappamu @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man No...they are made before and are now capital equipment. derivatives of labor are valued AT COST and cannot create new value...since the robot cost 1000 its cost is factored into the cost of production but it CANNOT create surplus value, right? Have you read Marx?

@KellMorrHK @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man You’re even losing track of what you’re responding to with your spam lol

@originalkappamu @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man So you cannot answer tow easy questions?

@KellMorrHK @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man Also in what industry are inputs “free from nature” or production “instantaneous”? What a strange idea…

Oh yeah....then address the two questions at the bottom: An AI machine/robot cost 1000. It makes 1000 widgets. And the builder of the robot opens a factory building widgets where the robot he built is the only source of production power. The value the machine/robot contributed to the commodity can be no more than 1 per widget according to Marx as no ‘new’ value carries over from, or is created by, the machine according to Marx. The commodity sells for 2 in a market where supply = demand (for widgets) so price MUST equal value according to Marx. Also, let me expand the scenario: this is a full economy, with more than one ‘sphere of production’ (per Marx, meaning industry or commodity class) but only 2 companies in the widget sphere at Time-0 (T0) and, as stated, the AI humanoid robot produces finished commodities with NO LIVING labor and competes with another factory that does not have robots and produces the same widget for also 2 (in a supply=demand market so price = value in an equilibrated market for widgets) with only living labor and no machines so no depreciation/maintenance, with wages equal to 1.8/widget taken out of previous capital reserves accrued by labour in the labour-only factory. All other inputs come free from nature and are valued at 0. Production at T0 is instantaneous. Humanoid-AI-Robot only factory has surplus value of 1.0/widget. Labour-only factory has a surplus value of 0.2/widget. At T0, where does the value come from in the robot-only factory that does the exact same process as the labor-only factory and sells widgets at exactly the same price? At T0, why is there MORE surplus value from the robot-only factory? I have no interest beyond T0 and if LTV does not hold at T0 it is busted. Go to work and show your work.

@KellMorrHK @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man What on earth is this crop, what are you even quoting

@originalkappamu @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man That is exactly what marx says

@KellMorrHK @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man Is labor not a commodity itself? Your argument seems circular in nature. Also why are you replying like 50 times lol

@originalkappamu @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man Those clowns show that Labor content moves with value....no shit... the Austrians got their first. It isnt that labour gives commodities value its that commodities give labour their value...

@KellMorrHK @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man That’s not even what Marx says, but no other factor by itself can create value. Think, when workers go on strike, is that not proof of this? The firm retains all other factors of production, yet cannot operate.

@originalkappamu @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man So you believe that ALL (new) value is created only by labour? No other factor contributes new value?

@KellMorrHK @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man The LTV has literally been empirically proven, I mean you can examine the work of Paul Cockshott or Anwar Sheikh. Whatever school of economics you follow otherwise, they either lack a theory of value or they rely on a subjective definition of value. That’s not very scientific.

@originalkappamu @Ldelamettrie @FerberLudovic @The_Davos_Man Busted for everyone, right? The difference being that without LTV the case fro capitalism becomes stronger but without LTV, Das Kapital collapses and with that collapse so does the raison d'être for Marxism, right?

@Kozzist @vivaLaErre @ContraPoints She only wants to endlessly critique it. If the present state of things was abolished, what would she make her annual video on?

@vivaLaErre @ContraPoints Theory is how you successfully organize and take state power, something which I presume she would like to happen

.@ContraPoints wishes she could forget leftist theory??: "It's Bible study for lefties. That's what theory is [...] I'm just not a church person, I don't want to make the trips to Cuba"

@Adamedia3 @joshgramsci @The_Davos_Man Do Americans have direct democratic influence on policy decisions? No? Therefore, the law is in many cases imposed upon them. Note how congress is a representative organ of the state, as the founding fathers were key in ensuring. What do you even define as terror?

@originalkappamu @joshgramsci @The_Davos_Man 🤡Sorry comrade but the Patriot Act (controversial ofc) was voted on by Congress — not imposed through revolutionary terror! Again, you didn't answer my question, nice! I'll repeat myself - when is Patriot Act=terror?

@Adamedia3 @EnzoSales8 @FreeThe3rdW0rld @The_Davos_Man And yet you never seem to actually get to the point of what else determines the outcome. You just vaguely gesture at it, almost like if you actually said what it was you’d be subject to the spooky revolutionary terror of evidentiary scrutiny

@originalkappamu @EnzoSales8 @FreeThe3rdW0rld @The_Davos_Man 🤡🤣Do you know what a metaphor is? Or are you this obtuse (besides dishonest)? Don't lefties say that they are smart? Coz all you do is whataboutism, strawman & low-effort pedantry. And what I'm saying is that material conditions alone did(/do) NOT determine the outcome

Rhodesia is the Charlie Kirk of countries

@Adamedia3 @EnzoSales8 @FreeThe3rdW0rld @The_Davos_Man At what point in human history were people living in trees? Even if we exclude that premise, do you seriously believe there was NO material basis to engage in activities like agriculture?

@originalkappamu @EnzoSales8 @FreeThe3rdW0rld @The_Davos_Man Nice strawman comrade! Equating human willful progress with biological evolution is a category error.

@Adamedia3 @joshgramsci @The_Davos_Man Not to mention Norway literally relies on the global trade of oil, which fundamentally ties it to the US’s military pressure exerted to maintain fossil fuel industries and the petrodollar. Though I’m willing to concede Iceland as social democratic.

@originalkappamu @joshgramsci @The_Davos_Man 🤡Again whataboutism comrade? And Norway & Iceland state didn't use terror on their own citizens! Also imagine how dishonest/ dumb one has to be to say that specific people targeted by CIA/US =entire groups of people targeted by communist TERROR! Btw, when is Patriot Act=terror?

"The Left are incapable of agreeing to disagree."

@Adamedia3 @EnzoSales8 @FreeThe3rdW0rld @The_Davos_Man Evolution is unrelated to material conditions? Idealism even at its worst is normally at least reserved for sentient humans. This isn’t even strictly Marxist, you’re heterodox to major historiographic consensus.

@EnzoSales8 @originalkappamu @FreeThe3rdW0rld @The_Davos_Man If people didn't routinely defy their material conditions, the human race would still be in the trees

@Adamedia3 @joshgramsci @The_Davos_Man Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay are “normal”? The Jakarta Method was “normal”? The various internal Red Scares were “normal”? The Patriot Act, NSA and CIA are “normal”? Actually, that has some historical merit; even Marx was hounded by Prussia. Unironic appeal to normality.

@originalkappamu @joshgramsci @The_Davos_Man No comrade, you're being dishonest by conflating normal state force with the explicit endorsement of revolutionary terror (which is what Marx & Engels wanted).