
JD Vance says US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk’s platforms — Independent
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JD Vance says US could drop support for NATO if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk’s platforms — Independent






You were extremely focused on the security piece, which is why we needed to discuss the emerging world order. (1) I am glad we agree the Internet will outlast the American Empire. You seem to also have implicitly conceded the Iran war is a disastrous loss, as you haven’t contested that. (2) On the rest, my view is: no, the US military is not actually hegemonic anymore. No, US manufacturing is unfortunately not going to return anytime soon. No, it’s not a question of “if China becomes so dominant.” That is already the current reality, and American Empire is getting rapidly wound down, and Trump’s Taiwan comments signal there isn’t going to be a war with China. (3) So what comes next? We loved America, but the empire is over. China disrupted the Republicans and the Internet disrupted the Democrats. So the next phase is China and the Internet. (4) What you seem to focus on is the question of whether new startup societies will instantly become full military sovereigns, able to fight and win wars with hostile powers bent on their destruction. (5) Of course they won’t, so they won’t even try. They will just operate peacefully within the limits of their host countries. The thing to emphasize is that you can get very far while doing that. (6) All the tech companies got to millions of user and billions of dollars without firing a shot. Cryptocurrencies did too. And the Internet is only getting stronger; no modern country can operate without drones, phones, robotics, AI, social. Not to mention other sectors like biotech and space. Tech is becoming the entire economy, every communication and transaction, every self-driving car and factory robot. (7) China will sell some tech to them, and the free Internet will build other parts. Tech talent will be a scarce resource for most countries not named China, which is why so many digital nomad programs are opening up. (8) And how will those countries attract tech talent? Like Chinatowns and Little Indias, but for tech. The Silicon Valley of Kazakhstan and the Silicon Valley of Poland and so on. Already a thing, but will become more of a thing. Tech as valued guests. We don’t need to fight a war to negotiate a network of special economic zones, tech parks, and nomad visas. And can get very far with nonviolence. (9) Just to give you a sense, here’s a map of some of the special economic zones in the world. We don’t need to fight for territory, because so many countries are already inviting the Internet in. openzonemap.com



COMMENTARY: Pratt is a quintessential American. His entire life has been fueled by an unfathomable level of self-confidence, despite a data set that suggests he may not be good at anything. rollingstone.com/politics/polit…












You should read this just to understand how silly these tech guys are when it comes to politics. Balaji thinks that if shit hits the fan in the USA, tech people can save themselves by fleeing to…the internet.





(1) You only get a war if both sides think they have a chance of winning. But the US just lost decisively to Iran, so it's finally common knowledge, even within the US, that it can't possibly win against China. That means it won't fight. It will instead invade Latin American countries like Cuba. (2) The study showing that China dominates US military supply chains was funded by the US military itself, not a rival nation state. There are many like it; look at the recent CSIS study (csis.org/analysis/unite…) which says US missiles run out within a week. Again, can't fight your factory. (3) Third, Trump himself recently all but admitted that the US is withdrawing gradually from Taiwan and won't travel 9500 miles to fight a war (x.com/visegrad24/sta…). (4) Boston started as a city and then joined up with other cities/colonies. Yes, it got independence in a war, but dozens of countries have gotten independence nonviolently, including India, Singapore, and many more. Those independence movements happened as the British, French, and Soviet empires withdrew. And now the American empire is withdrawing, so many new places may become independent. (5) Now, will every place in the world have security issues when America leaves? Maybe, though it might turn out differently. Many countries will just have to bend to a new regional hegemon as the American Empire withdraws from Eurasia and leaves them hanging. Roughly speaking, that hegemon may be Russia in North Asia and Eastern Europe, Iran perhaps for West Asia, China for East and Southeast Asia, and TBD for South Asia as India still has Pakistan to deal with. (6) Not every country will easily fold into that regional hegemon. As the American Empire withdraws, various countries will likely go nuclear, like Turkey, Japan, Germany and possibly South Korea, Poland, Brazil, and Australia. Both for military protection and for energy given the fuel crisis. The Iran war will accomplish the opposite of proliferation. (7) Anyway, in this world, many things will change, and much will be unpredictable, and possibly much conflict will ensue, but the Internet remains. That's the constant we can count on. Not American policy, not even the continued existence of the USA as we know it. Only 36% of Democrats are "proud to be American", the US has $175 trillion in compounding debt, and even Elon couldn't fix the budget deficit. (8) I suppose we differ on what we think is realistic. I know the Internet works, I know we've built improbably gigantic things from the Internet, and I know the US government doesn't work. So I think the Internet may outlast the American empire, just as Christianity outlasted the Roman empire, and we should rebuild from the Internet. But regardless, I hope I'm wrong, that the US magically somehow fixes all its issues. And of course I wish you the best. Be well.






Is America the only 1st world country?

