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atlanta, ga Katılım Ocak 2009
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clem 🤗@ClementDelangue·
This is how how much data AI builders are storing on HF Xet (replaced git storage fully in ~Nov 25). Feels like this is just the beginning and should get to exabytes soon!
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A Stargate for Data Labs are on a trajectory towards >$100B/year of data spend by 2030. As we begin the trillion-dollar compute project, we need to think about the equivalent civilizational-scale effort for the other core ingredient: data. At the foundation of the scaling revolution is a simple empirical law: deep neural networks improve smoothly, near magically, as you scale two things in proportion — (1) the size of the model and (2) the amount of data you train on. And despite the scaling laws being brutally diminishing, we’ve successfully bitten the bullet of logarithmic scaling with exponentially larger clusters and datasets, and received incredible new capabilities in return. But this exponential scaling is bound to hit some limits. Oddly enough, compute has compounded fairly smoothly without limit, with trillions flowing into hypercluster buildout. Instead, we’re starting to hit the limits of an exponential demand for data. Gone are the days of being purely in the compute-limited regime, where we had effectively infinite internet data but never enough GPUs, we’re now entering a data-limited regime. Luckily, this limitation is coinciding with staggering improvements in AI capabilities. Incredibly, we seem to have a real line of sight towards automating a majority of knowledge work with the methods we have today. RL + pretraining, and the data for each, will be generally sufficient to achieve most economically valuable tasks, given some minimal algorithmic progress and continued compute scaling. In a data-limited world, economic progress & scientific acceleration will be directly bottlenecked by our coverage in each domain. We need to see data collection as imperative, deserving the same civilizational ambition we’ve given compute. The internet as a one-time subsidy It’s underrated how much all progress in AI owes everything to the blessing of the internet, this one-time civilizational subsidy to deep learning, decades of unintentional accumulation of a perfect dataset: every book, blog post, image, video, paper, discussion, etc. all digitized and freely available. Without the internet, we’d likely see comparably minimal progress in AI today, and in fact, if you notice where systems currently underperform, it’s almost always a domain where web coverage is limited and data is private, expensive, non-digitized, or non-existent. But we’re running out of it. There are only about 300 trillion tokens of useful public human text, and the internet doesn’t produce nearly enough new high-quality data to match what scaling demands — we’re soon to hit the limits of public data for pretraining. And though the advent of RL bought us reprieve — chain-of-thought RL needed a new form of untapped data, gradable math & coding tasks, also available online — we’re quickly running dry of hard tasks for RL as well. Why do we need so much data anyways? Humans learn comparably in far less time, needing just one textbook where language models might need the equivalent of hundreds to learn a new topic. It’s possible we discover methods that are massively more data efficient — synthetic data, data efficient architectures, other exotic algorithms — but fundamental progress is slow and highly unpredictable, and the recipe we have just works today. And, while I’m wary of getting too deep here, even arbitrary data efficiency can’t replace data that just doesn’t exist in the first place. There’s a massive amount of missing information on the web: the dark matter of the internet — tacit knowledge, undocumented processes, etc. — most of which was never published and lives only inside organizations, the physical world, or just in people’s heads. I’ll leave it here and say, for reasons far longer than I can fit in this post [1], it’s best to operate on the assumption that our insatiable desire for data will continue as it has for the last decade. There will be >$100B/year in data spend by 2030 We’re not screwed yet, of course. Only a fraction of useful data in the world is on the public internet, the rest is stored inside private datasets, corporations, personal archives, universities, governments, and otherwise. Labs can and will continue to license these private datasets, or create them from scratch, like Anthropic’s book scanning project. And we’ll increasingly task human experts to manufacture new high-quality data, with a large fraction of hard RL training tasks already being sourced this way. But collecting this data, unlike before, will be expensive. As the free internet dries up and demand for data rises, we should see labs investing equally in data as compute, likely spending a significant fraction of their compute budgets on data. As we see trillions spent on compute, we should also expect hundreds of billions spent on data (human data & collection budgets), given their equivalent importance. And, notably, data spend is already tracking this way: total data spend across vendors, not counting internal lab efforts, is already roughly $7 billion per year. It’s quite reasonable we’ll see >10x by 2030. Data is the moat Data becoming increasingly private will also majorly shift the competitive landscape. While compute is a commodity — everyone buys the same chips and builds the same clusters — data really isn’t. The big reason why frontier models have felt eerily similar to one another, until now, is they were trained on substantially the same internet (pretraining data variability across labs seems pretty low). As labs diverge onto more exclusive, manually collected corpora, I think models will begin to increasingly diverge. OpenAI pulling ahead in mathematics and Anthropic in cybersecurity isn’t an accident. I really think laser-focused collection of high-quality midtraining tokens, custom RL tasks, environments, with dedicated research effort, has driven much of the visible progress in the last year. James Betker has an excellent blog about “the ‘it’ in a model is the dataset”: model architecture and compute buy you efficiency and order-of-magnitude performance, but ultimately, models, of any architecture, are such incredible approximators of their dataset that the core meat of a model boils down to just that, nothing else. Data is a major moat. AGI long, ASI short As I’ve tweeted before, I’m confident that, despite the narrative, the data labeling industry will continue to fuel great businesses and be an excellent AGI long, ASI short. The argument is just: By the time the AGI labs no longer need data, it’s probably over for everything else too [2]. In this frame, the last companies left should be the data companies, as the last speck of economically relevant data is sucked in. And these companies are already among some of the fastest-growing companies in history: Mercor, founded three years ago, is rumored to be doing $2 billion in revenue with something like a few million expert labelers under contract. While these businesses are very non-stationary, what type of data is needed shifts constantly, I don’t think that diminishes their value. The long-tail of the economy is long, and the value isn’t diminishing as you extend farther into more obscure information: as models get more capable, the value of the marginal dataset goes up, not down. Automating a full job means covering its full distribution of tasks, tools, edge-cases, and long-horizon loops. There’s some O-ring logic to it: a dataset that buys a 1% bump can justify a previously unjustifiable collection cost when it’s the difference between a system that does 99% of a job and one that does all of it [3]. The competitive dynamics of the data industry are still evolving but as demand for data is increasingly niche, ultra high-quality, expert-generated, I think we’ll see real consolidation. Again, contra-narrative, we’ll probably see true competitive differentiation built on brand, quality control of data (which, from personal experience, can vary massively), as well as in network effects from the talent networks themselves over time. We’ve already seen rapidly shifting data type demand work in favor of incumbents, benefiting those with early knowledge of where the market is headed. The binding constraint It’s truly remarkable that we seem to have the recipe — pretraining + RL — to absorb most economically valuable work, despite being far from a lot of what we expected from “AGI”. The same way chess engines revealed we never needed general intelligence to solve chess, as we originally thought, we’ll soon realize that software, mathematics, and the vast majority of the economy (including physical, just running ~3 years behind!) are the same. If recursive self-improvement or some other algorithmic breakthrough arrives, that’s wonderful, but we really don’t have to wait for it. The binding constraint between here and an automated economy isn’t that, it’s data coverage: every app, workflow, edge case, process, etc. sitting in private stores or someone’s head. Ultimately, while we make tremendous strides in more efficient model architectures, and clusters like Stargate equip us with zettaflop-scale compute, we really aren’t making rapid progress collecting the data we lack. We’ll soon live in a world where we have the methods & compute to accelerate scientific progress or economic growth, but not the data. And we’re already there today: frontier models would surely be as good at accounting/many medical tasks/legal advice as they are at software engineering if we only had the same pretraining & RL coverage as we did for code. I really want to drill this in: The speed at which we automate the economy is going to be directly rate-limited by our ability to collect data about it. Worth noting that under this assumption, with data as defensible and directly proportional to economic & scientific progress, data should also be considered a national strategic asset like compute. Imagine what we’d do in a world where we had a Manhattan Project-effort for AI and needed to mobilize data collection as a limiting factor. We should be concerned about China, with greater state capacity and authoritarian economic control, being capable of mobilizing data collection at national scale, potentially compounding their economy and scientific output faster than us down the line. A Stargate for data I’m leaving my complete ideas for a future post, as this one is already far too long, so I’d really like to pose the question here. Stargate exists because we organized trillions of dollars, international strategy, gigawatts around compute as a fundamental ingredient. What would equivalent ambition look like for data? Obviously, scaling data collection, a heterogeneous mass of information across the economy, isn’t going to be as clear as scaling compute, as a homogenous infrastructural effort. A core division will be first, coverage — all uncaptured knowledge sitting across the economy/science/physical world and all that simply isn’t recorded — and, secondly, sheer volume in the domains we already train on: more hard math tasks, more high-quality web text, way more coding data, more legal drafts, etc. I have a post coming soon which breaks down my proposals. There’s a lot of room for creativity. Quickly, we’ll probably want to start with a deep census of what we have and what we’re missing, predict what the 2030 model will still be bad at and work backward to what we should be collecting today. You can probably license a large amount, leveraging high lab valuations to buy datasets or companies altogether. There’s an adversarial nature to a lot of this collection with firms, so there’s lots of engineering to do this correctly. We should go convince important companies to turn off deletion policies, even if we’re not buying from them yet. Data flywheels in consumer products will be massive. Confidential training, government legislation for grant-funded research, running companies at a loss for their data, etc. We’re headed towards hundreds of billions in expenditure, national prioritization, and major data limitation on the horizon. We have a great opportunity to think creatively about what a megaproject for data would look like: How do we, deliberately this time, construct the next internet’s worth of data? Footnotes: [1]: I’ll probably soon publish my much longer post explaining my position on data efficiency and why the value of this data is still pretty high in most worlds regardless of new algorithms. [2]: The “AGI freeroll” bet: heads you win, tails ASI flips the world upside down anyways. [3]: We already see a glint of validation of this point, given the data market is strongly tilting towards ultra-high-quality agentic data, rather than unskilled labeling — niche expert workflows, live environments, and evaluations requiring increasingly obscure talent & knowledge — yet shows increasing, not decreasing, revenues.

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PRAGMATA has launched with #RTXON, featuring path tracing and DLSS 4! To celebrate, we are giving away this custom wrapped GeForce RTX 5090 featuring Hugh and Diana, perfect for the adventure that awaits on the moon. Want it? Comment "PRAGMATA RTX" to enter!
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Calling all meetup organizers, user group leaders, publishers & community builders👋 Arc of AI supports your community with free ticket raffles, complimentary leader passes & exclusive discounts for members. 👉Join us: arcofai.com/supporters More info: arcofai.com/register
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arcofai@arcofai·
Stop just watching. Start engaging.💡 @venkat_s & @prpatel know that in-person conferences trigger ideas you won't get anywhere else. Get inspired at #ArcofAI this month! 🚀Check out the schedule & get tickets: arcofai.com 📅 April 13 - 16 | Austin #AI #Conference
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arcofai@arcofai·
"What if you don’t train your people and they stay?" 🤔 @venkat_s highlights the real risk of tech stagnation with @prpatel. In-person at #ArcOfAI, your team gets the recharge they need to come back and solve problems better. 🔋 Invest in your team: arcofai.com
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Devnexus@devnexus·
The Great Robot Revolution might be coming.🤖 Good thing AI still has weaknesses. 🔥 KEYNOTE at #Devnexus: @GantLaborde from @infinite_red shows how machines can be manipulated—and how developers can stay ahead. devnexus.com/events/hacking… 🎟️ Get tickets: devnexus.com ✉️ Stay up to date: atlj.ug/Xconnect #AI #MachineLearning #CyberSecurity #AIEthics #SoftwareEngineering #TechConference #ArtificialIntelligence
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Devnexus@devnexus·
The creator of Spring Framework, @springrod, is LIVE at ADVANTAGE: The AI Leadership Summit! 🚀 Learn how to choose the right language, stack, and framework for enterprise AI success, including LLMs, existing business logic, and real-world production patterns. Learn from the mind that shaped modern Java. aileaders.devnexus.com/session/1118313 🎟️ Get tickets: advantage.devnexus.com ✉️ Sign up to keep up to date with all the conference info atlj.ug/Xconnect #Java #SpringFramework #EnterpriseAI #GenerativeAI #AIEngineering #TechLeadership #DevCommunity #ADVANTAGESummit #AILeadership #AI
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Devnexus@devnexus·
🚀 ADVANTAGE: The AI Leadership Summit — The premier gathering for tech leaders ready to move from AI hype to practical impact. Join industry leaders as they share strategies, frameworks, and real-world examples for embedding AI across your organization, your products, and your teams. Meet the speakers and sessions: @springrod — Language Stacks and Gen AI @daviddryparry — Shift to Agentic Software Engineering Dennis Ruzeski — From Concept to Platform: Building Hivemindd with AI at the Core Laurie Lay — The Journey Awaits: Accelerating AI Tool Adoption with GitHub Copilot @prpatel — AI Architecture for Tech Leaders: Building Blocks for AI Applications @frankgreco — A Leader’s Playbook for AI @kenkousen — Managing Your AI-Driven Manager @travisjgosselin — AI Enablement in the SDLC: A Strategy Sampler 💡 Gain practical insights on: AI strategy, architecture, tool adoption, agentic development, and building AI into real systems. 📅 Date: March 4 📍 Location: Georgia World Congress Center, Atlanta, GA 🔗 Learn more and get tickets: aileaders.devnexus.com #AILeadership #TechLeadership #EnterpriseAI #AgenticAI #AIDevelopment #SoftwareEngineering #AIArchitecture #Innovation #DigitalTransformation #Devnexus #CTO #CIO #VPofEngineering
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Vue Ecosystem Skills: 30+ package skills 🍋Fresh Packages - Vue v3.6 beta, Vue Router v5, Motion v2, etc 📚 Unopinionated - generated using docs, releases, and issues 🔬 Deep References - stop getting in the way of your agent github.com/harlan-zw/vue-…
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We’re excited to welcome @azulsystems as a Premium Supporter of #ArcOfAI! 🎉 Their support helps bring world-class AI learning, hands-on workshops, & meaningful community connections together this April. 🔗 Become a supporter: arcofai.com/supporters 🎟️ arcofai.com
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🚀 Big Data meets AI—powered by Iceberg, Spark & LLMs At #ArcOfAI, @prpatel shows how to build a real architecture that lets users query massive datasets with natural language—no dashboards, no SQL, just questions & insights. arcofai.com/speaker/1c2414… 🎟️ arcofai.com
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Devnexus@devnexus·
🚀 ADVANTAGE: The AI Leadership Summit — The premier gathering for tech leaders ready to move from AI hype to practical impact. Join industry leaders as they share strategies, frameworks, and real-world examples for embedding AI across your organization, your products, and your teams. Meet the speakers and sessions: @springrod — Language Stacks and Gen AI @daviddryparry — Shift to Agentic Software Engineering Dennis Ruzeski — From Concept to Platform: Building Hivemindd with AI at the Core Laurie Lay — The Journey Awaits: Accelerating AI Tool Adoption with GitHub Copilot @prpatel — AI Architecture for Tech Leaders: Building Blocks for AI Applications @frankgreco — A Leader’s Playbook for AI @kenkousen — Managing Your AI-Driven Manager @travisjgosselin — AI Enablement in the SDLC: A Strategy Sampler 💡 Gain practical insights on: AI strategy, architecture, tool adoption, agentic development, and building AI into real systems. 📅 Date: March 4 📍 Location: Georgia World Congress Center, Atlanta, GA 🔗 Learn more and get tickets: aileaders.devnexus.com #AILeadership #TechLeadership #EnterpriseAI #AgenticAI #AIDevelopment #SoftwareEngineering #AIArchitecture #Innovation #DigitalTransformation #Devnexus #CTO #CIO #VPofEngineering
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Devnexus@devnexus·
How do you adopt AI in your organization without leaking sensitive data or overspending on infrastructure? 🔐 At ADVANTAGE: The AI Leadership Summit, @prpatel from @AzulSystems will guide tech leaders through practical approaches for building AI responsibly and efficiently. Learn how to implement guardrails, make informed infrastructure and deployment choices, and understand the difference between AI-enhanced systems and AI-first applications built from the ground up. This session is ideal for VPs of Engineering, Software Managers, and Team Leads looking to bridge strategy and execution in AI projects. Walk away with actionable insights to make AI adoption safer, smarter, and aligned with your business goals. 🔗 Session details: aileaders.devnexus.com/session/1092310 🎟️ Get tickets: aileaders.devnexus.com ✉️ Stay up to date with all of the conference news: atlj.ug/Xconnect #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #TechLeadership #AILeadership #AIGovernance #EnterpriseAI #Devnexus #AIArchitecture #DataPrivacy #Innovation #SoftwareEngineering #GenAI
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Devnexus@devnexus·
Java hasn’t stood still — and neither should you. ☕➡️🚀 Join @venkat_s at #Devnexus for a hands-on workshop cruising through Java 9 → 25, exploring modern syntax, semantics, and performance under the hood. 🔗 devnexus.com/events/cruisin… 🎟️ Get tickets: devnexus.com ✉️ Sign up to keep up to date with all the conference info atlj.ug/Xconnect #Java #ModernJava #JVM #JavaDevelopers #SoftwareArchitecture #Devnexus #TechConference #Programming #EnterpriseJava
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Devnexus@devnexus·
🤖 Introducing the Devnexus Generative AI Track Generative AI is moving fast — and it’s becoming a real part of how modern software is built. The Generative AI Track at Devnexus is designed for developers and architects who want practical, production-focused guidance on applying GenAI, from agents and MCP to RAG and Java-based systems. 💥 Here’s what’s coming in the Generative AI Track: • Agents, Tools, and MCP, oh my! Next-level AI concepts for developers — @JMHReif, from @neo4j • 10 Tools & Tips to Upgrade Your Legacy Code with GenAI — @siliconvini & Jonathan Vogel from @AWS • Building AI Agents with Spring & MCP — @starbuxman, from @Broadcom & @JamesWard, from AWS • From Monolith to AI Agent: Modernizing Java Systems with MCP — @falydoor, from @IpponUSA • Architecting Microservices for Agentic AI Integration — @rbhardwaj1, from @salesforce • GenAI for Supply Chain at Apple using RAG — Varsha Venkatesh, from @Apple • Integrating LLMs in Java: A Practical Guide to Model Context Protocol — @therealdanvega, from Broadcom • From Context Windows to Context Graphs: The Next Generation of AI Systems — Srijani Dey & @medhac6, from @BlackRock • Choose your fighter: Spring AI vs LangChain4j — Malavika Balamurali This is one of 11 tracks at Devnexus, designed for engineers who want to build with GenAI confidently and stay ahead as AI becomes core to modern software development. devnexus.com/schedule/ai 🚀 Don’t just experiment with AI — engineer it into your systems. 👉 Secure your ticket: devnexus.com Sign up to stay up to date with all conference news: atlj.ug/fbConnect #Devnexus #GenerativeAI #AIEngineering #Java #SpringAI #LangChain4j #SoftwareArchitecture #DevCommunity #TechConference #AI #GenAI
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