@DeeApsley As I said, they want most atheists to self-identify as members of religious communities because of sectarian perception. Don’t know why you don’t understand that.
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Roy Fisher
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Roy Fisher
@royfis
Tried to get the NI Assembly to afford equality to people beyond the constructed ‘two communities’ & the media to be representative of society in the present.
Belfast Katılım Mayıs 2010
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NI is the only jurisdiction where atheists are expected to identify as members of religious communities for Equality Monitoring. If we refuse the Residuary Method profiles us based on things outside our control. This gap (& FCNM breach) wasn’t raised today. @PaulaJaneB @CAJNi
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At the next meeting of the @NIAEOCttee @NIAssembly we will receive briefings from @EqualityCommNI & @EqualityCoal on the Committee's Inquiry into Gaps in Equality Legislation 📅11 September ⏰2pm 📺niassembly.tv #ScrutinyInAction
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@mgtruth The background category has been dominant again, but I was glad to hear @NualaMcAllister speak as an atheist who opposes us being backgrounded on Talkback.
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@royfis @aaron_skinner @CJohnstonNI 5Live leading with the background stats.
tbf, a lot of people here don’t understand the system or the process of collating background stats and how they should be used . . .
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@mgtruth @aaron_skinner @CJohnstonNI & nothing has changed, Radio Ulster so far ignoring 70% rise in no religion & 76% drop in religion not stated (which I thought might happen due to online form not making it clear you didn’t have to answer). See journalists tweeting background results without labelling as such. 🤐
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@aaron_skinner @royfis @CJohnstonNI The guy with the masters in the subject and no one ever interviews him. Has had to fight to even be listened to. I find that so weird.
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@mgtruth @CJohnstonNI Hello to you too, and Conor.
Whatever the reporting is tomorrow, I’m going to TRY to stay out of it. Those involved already know what I think.
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@royfis @CJohnstonNI Hopefully Roy! 🤞🏻🤞🏻
(Hello you. Hope you’re well)
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@mgtruth @CJohnstonNI If the most statistically significant demographic change since 2011 is the increase in non-religious people, maybe doubling or more, I expect NISRA will flag that at the press briefing and we’ll have better reporting than 10 years ago.🤞
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@CJohnstonNI I’ll join you in your sabbatical. I hope @royfis can cope.
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@EarlofLeuven @DavidFordxMLA @BBCMarkSimpson @NISRA I said ‘give it up’ because you are falsely claiming that David said the ‘sole reason’ for delay was the reallocation of non-religious people and non-respondents into a religious background.
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@royfis @DavidFordxMLA @BBCMarkSimpson @NISRA "Give it up"
Why the tetchiness?
He didn't need it to be exhaustive, the quote tweets and comments have extrapolated that already.
David's not beyond a bit of sectarian gamesmanship when it suits.
"Give me a preference to keep 'you-know-who' out" springs to mind.
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Hi @BBCMarkSimpson
Did they tell you that it takes longer to issue the stats on religion because @NISRA is busy allocating those of us who declared no religion to one or other group?
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@EarlofLeuven @DavidFordxMLA @BBCMarkSimpson @NISRA Give it up. David’s tweet is accurate, it’s not exhaustive, but it didn’t claim to be.
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@royfis @DavidFordxMLA @BBCMarkSimpson @NISRA I was taking the mick with the comment.
But he placed the sole reason for it coming out later down to this nearest neighbour practice not the fact that all its processing as well as the processing of other data requires it to come out in a later release. So its misleading.
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@EarlofLeuven @DavidFordxMLA @BBCMarkSimpson @NISRA David is absolutely correct in saying it takes longer to produce the ‘religion or religion brought up in’ output than the ‘religion’ output. I haven’t seen him mention schools or H, but NISRA uses ‘nearest neighbour’ methodology to estimate/guess someone’s background.
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@royfis @DavidFordxMLA @BBCMarkSimpson @NISRA Exactly. David's a good example of its political salience
He asserted the reason for a later release of data was due to census takers checking what school the "neithers" went to or how they pronounce their H's,without having the gumption to check if other data was also released
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@EarlofLeuven @DavidFordxMLA @BBCMarkSimpson @NISRA Yes, of course there is other processing and in 2011 ‘Date arrived to live in NI’ had a lower response rate than ‘Religion brought up in’. But the latter is obviously more politically salient and continues to be used to define 2011 society.
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@DavidFordxMLA @BBCMarkSimpson @NISRA @royfis Roy Fisher confirmed that some extrapolation takes place which I understood anyway.
I'm talking about the assertion that that's why it comes later. Pretty sure some other non-sectarian headcountery census data is released later too isnt it?
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@DavidFordxMLA @mgtruth @_f_i_l_i @BBCMarkSimpson @NISRA There was a recent, rare, explanation by Dr Paul Nolan, it’s because of the outdated equality legislation. The reaction is of note too.
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@RyanMcAleerbiz 93.5% of the population in two religious blocs, but please consider how these ‘religion or religion brought up in’ 2011 census statistics remove agency from 1st gen non-religious people, and how in processing the state allocates a background to people who don’t answer.
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Ahead of the 1st 2021 Census data release on Tuesday, the Equality Commission has published its workforce monitoring data from 2020. It shows the proportion of Catholics employed in the NI public sector overtook the no. of Protestants for 1st time in 2020
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“. . . didn’t envisage a third category” 🤷🏻♀️
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Dr Paul Nolan on #bbcevex saying the census reallocates non-religious people & non-respondents as either Protestant or Catholic because of equality legislation that didn’t envisage a third category. @taramillstv says “only in Northern Ireland”. @bbcradioulster
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@MariaFlynn1234 @mgtruth The 2020 NI Life and Times survey found 27% no religion & 28% Catholic. But I’ve friends who identify as Catholic or Protestant but don’t believe in some of the basic teaching or lean into one sided politics.
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BBC NI usually reports only the census output that “somewhat disguised” the third category, & here @BBCMarkSimpson’s second paragraph is incorrect, because 10% of the population said they were non-religious and 1% held a non-Christian religion on census day 2011.
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Dr Paul Nolan on #bbcevex saying the census reallocates non-religious people & non-respondents as either Protestant or Catholic because of equality legislation that didn’t envisage a third category. @taramillstv says “only in Northern Ireland”. @bbcradioulster
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@mrssbarnard @Geney_Mac @CJohnstonNI I asked a BBC exec about repeated “bonfires are lit in [some] Protestant areas” stories (e.g. in 2013 & 2019 below), and how this communicates ownership, as paramilitaries and some politicians want, and would be intimidating if it was said on the ground or painted in graffiti.
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⬆️ Could the NI Assembly instead afford equality based on our adult beliefs/politics for all, including teachers? @ClareBaileyGPNI @DeirdreHargey @PaulaJaneB @MatthewOToole2 @Humanists_UK @NIhumanists
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NI Humanists campaigning to extend policy that treats the non-religious as though we’re Christian.
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