@TADStrange89 I'm sorry is your contention that what AIPAC does is really no big deal because it doesn't dwarf *every other "independent" expenditure group in the US combined*?
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Opposing AIPAC isn't Anti-Semite inherently, but when you start blaming all your losses on AIPAC and treat a group responsible for not even 1% of political spending as the Final Villain of politics
well...
Shadi Hamid@shadihamid
You seem to be conflating opposing AIPAC with opposing Jews, and that very conflation is what’s anti-Semitic based on all definitions of the term that I’m familiar with.
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@speechboy71 @shadihamid When oil companies spend money on crooked politicians we call it the Oil Lobby. When gun makers do it we call it the Gun Lobby. When cigarette sellers did it we called it the Tobacco Lobby. And when Zionists do it we call it the SHUT THE FUCK UP WHY ARE YOU NOTICING THIS.
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I said relying on anti-Semitic tropes. Not anti-Semitic. But this sentence is so deeply reliant on age old anti-Semitic tropes it arguably veers into anti-Semitism
“Next week, AIPAC is set to spend at least $3,847,990 against me. Why? Because [Haley Stevens] is more committed to the future of a foreign country than keeping your tax dollars here to provide schools and healthcare for you and your kids”
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“To accuse a Muslim man of misogyny is a classic trope, of course”
Wait until you hear the tropes El-Sayed has been trotting out about Jews and money …
Shadi Hamid@shadihamid
With all due respect to @mattyglesias, the last few weeks have suggested to me that the center-left cares more about beating down the left than they do about beating Trump. We've seen the re-introduction of "woke" tropes by the Democratic establishment, weaponized against Abdul El-Sayed to suggest he's some kind of mysogonist, without any actual evidence. To accuse a Muslim man of misogyny is a classic trope, of course. If I was someone who cared about the future of the Democratic Party and it's ability to compete with the GOP, I'd be more enthusiastic about people like Abdul and Zohran, who model a positive "clean-living" masculinity. I'd be be enthusiastic about their ability to turn out young voters who are otherwise disaffected by a party that doesn't seem to want to listen to them. They're also practicing Muslims who respect the role of religion in public life, something we need more of in an overly secularized Democratic Party. This doesn't mean that everyone has to like Abdul or want him to win. Even if you want him to lose, you should see that he has something genuinely positive to offer to the Democratic Party. When the left wants to beat establishment candidates, it's called "factionalism." When the establishment wants to beat the left, it's not called that. It's just normal and unaccounted for. Take @neeratanden for example. Her feed is mostly about her disdain for the left. I don't see how this is constructive. And those of us who are not part of the Democratic establishment shouldn't concede too much ground on these points. I worry, though, that we have.
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@JeffMightBWrong I bet you guys losing twice, between those losses electing the most disliked Democratic President in living memory, and leaving the party itself less popular than gonorrhea has really showed MAGA whose boss.
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@JeffMightBWrong We've been through this "only the center can beat Republicans" rodeo multiple times since 2016, and how has MAGA been doing? You guys defeat it yet?
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I’m baffled by people who still don’t realize that normie Democrats winning the factional fight against the far left is a necessary condition for beating MAGA.
Shadi Hamid@shadihamid
With all due respect to @mattyglesias, the last few weeks have suggested to me that the center-left cares more about beating down the left than they do about beating Trump. We've seen the re-introduction of "woke" tropes by the Democratic establishment, weaponized against Abdul El-Sayed to suggest he's some kind of mysogonist, without any actual evidence. To accuse a Muslim man of misogyny is a classic trope, of course. If I was someone who cared about the future of the Democratic Party and it's ability to compete with the GOP, I'd be more enthusiastic about people like Abdul and Zohran, who model a positive "clean-living" masculinity. I'd be be enthusiastic about their ability to turn out young voters who are otherwise disaffected by a party that doesn't seem to want to listen to them. They're also practicing Muslims who respect the role of religion in public life, something we need more of in an overly secularized Democratic Party. This doesn't mean that everyone has to like Abdul or want him to win. Even if you want him to lose, you should see that he has something genuinely positive to offer to the Democratic Party. When the left wants to beat establishment candidates, it's called "factionalism." When the establishment wants to beat the left, it's not called that. It's just normal and unaccounted for. Take @neeratanden for example. Her feed is mostly about her disdain for the left. I don't see how this is constructive. And those of us who are not part of the Democratic establishment shouldn't concede too much ground on these points. I worry, though, that we have.
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@upsellsunshine @ColeSandick June 3rd is when the last primaries (SD and MT) occurred, but Obama became the prohibitive winner once he won a majority of delegates after the Oregon and Kentucky primaries on May 20th.
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@rtsly @ColeSandick Obama declared victory on June 3 and Clinton conceded 4 days later, saying, "The way to continue our fight now, to accomplish the goals for which we stand, is to take our energy, our passion, our strength, and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama as the next president."
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Among many other things, it’s not even true that Hillary was weakened by the long primary. Her approvals had already plummeted by the end of *2015* and they did not meaningfully worsen in the last months of the primary. Voters just didn’t like what she was selling, that’s it.
Shannon Watts@shannonrwatts
“‘Bernie Sanders is the reason that Donald Trump is president,’ Carville said. He argued that the Vermont Independent’s lengthy primary challenge to Clinton swayed voters in battleground states, weakening her prospects in the general election.” thehill.com/homenews/campa…
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@upsellsunshine @ColeSandick Once it was clear she was losing, she:
- Insisted she was more electable because her voters were "hard working white Americans"
- Tried to get disqualified delegates reinstated to overturn Obama's lead
- said she was staying in the race because someone might shoot Obama
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@tbsama03 @ColeSandick Then her and her little coven of greasy remoras should take a page from Obama and fuckin get over 2016.
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@Timodc If you want a real American parallel, "a bunch of rednecks harassing foreign dignitaries and creating diplomatic headaches for the government" is what happened with some regularity to African dignitaries while they had the misfortune of being in Jim Crow Virginia and Maryland.
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Well I’d say that a French lawmaker could show up anywhere in America without much risk of militia members putting a gun in their face but I guess ICE has killed two people this week. So you do have a point just not the one you think you were making.
Dana Loesch@DLoesch
Absolute idiot. Imagine a French lawmaker going to an ICE facility at the southern border and demanding entry. Ro Khanna is a despicable drama queen.
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@fawfulfan This discounts the high probability that they share in that bigotry.
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I think a number of people are scared of El-Sayed being the Senate nominee not necessarily because he's a bad guy or a bad fit for the state, but because they just don't have the stomach for the vile bigotry the GOP is preparing to blitz him with.
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Politico: The Michigan Republican Party refers to Abdul El-Sayed by his full name in press release
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@tksshawa "A bunch of rednecks harassing foreign dignitaries and creating diplomatic headaches for the government" is actually what happened with some regularity to African dignitaries and members of their staff while they had the misfortune of being in Jim Crow Virginia and Maryland.
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@stogachess @ettingermentum The Democratic tailwinds in 2020 were so strong that the only nominee who would have definitely lost was Mike Bloomberg owing to the fact that he has the personality of a rectal wart.
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@ettingermentum Bernie would have lost comfortably in 2020. I'm not sure about 2016. Ed Rendell speculated after Hillary's loss that maybe Bernie would have been stronger in PA. But Ed was reeling from a devastating loss, i'm not sure he was actually thinking clearly.
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@trouble_man90 Two days after being mathematically eliminated in the 2008 Oregon primary, Hillary Clinton told the editors of the Sioux Falls Argus Leader that she was nevertheless staying in the race because someone might shoot Obama.
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After being mathematically eliminated Bernie continued to relentlessly attack Hillary for months before he reluctantly endorsed her. Fuck him until the end of time
Nikolaj🇺🇦🇵🇸@nikicaga
Bernie did what a primary loser is supposed to do and endorsed Clinton, despite discontent from his supporters! To get mad at him is to get mad at the very concept of US primaries, one of the most unique aspects of its democracy (and the thing making the 2PS almost work)
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@Thereallamascus @CentristMadness Obama had mathematically sewn up the nomination by the May 21st Oregon primary, which was also when his campaign and the DNC started to coordinate for the general. Clinton made the assassination comment two days later while meeting the editors of the Sioux Falls Argus Leader.
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@CentristMadness @rtsly It was 4 days not two
June 3, Obama secured enough pledged delegates.
June 7 Clinton officially suspended her campaign and endorsed him.
From June 3 and June 7, there was some political tension, as some Democratic leaders publicly urged Clinton to concede and unite the party.
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He refused to endorse her when the primaries were over. He endorsed her a month after the primary process was concluded. This is a bad thing to do, and in every plausible scenario is directly responsible for Trump’s victory.
Nikolaj🇺🇦🇵🇸@nikicaga
Bernie did what a primary loser is supposed to do and endorsed Clinton, despite discontent from his supporters! To get mad at him is to get mad at the very concept of US primaries, one of the most unique aspects of its democracy (and the thing making the 2PS almost work)
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@nikicaga In 2008 Hillary Clinton threw the biggest sore loser tantrum of any Democrat in living memory and it didn't hurt Obama any.
She's just an awful candidate (and a terrible person) but her fandom will never accept that because they have all the principles of a blood-gorged tick.
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Did the primary weaken Clinton? Yeah
Was her being such a vulnerable and weak candidate by 2016 the reason the primary against a total unknown calling himself a socialist was ever competitive and dragged on for so long? Even more so!
Shannon Watts@shannonrwatts
“‘Bernie Sanders is the reason that Donald Trump is president,’ Carville said. He argued that the Vermont Independent’s lengthy primary challenge to Clinton swayed voters in battleground states, weakening her prospects in the general election.” thehill.com/homenews/campa…
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@notcapnamerica Being a Democrat and hating the left so much that you're happy a lobbying group that regularly donates to Republicans is lying to people in order to undermine a left-wing candidate because politics means nothing to you but competing fandoms. Utterly pathetic.
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wtf does AIPAC have to do with the fact that President Obama is incredibly popular with Black voters?
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