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Doug Kelsey

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CSO of https://t.co/kese0cN9p2 and Paynote : https://t.co/JhXrwY7GrM Payments Expert. Sign up here. https://t.co/tZVH3nIUqG

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Doug Kelsey
Doug Kelsey@seamlesspro93·
Scaling to your first 100k month is the most dangerous thing you can do in ecom. Not because of the ads or the fulfillment but literally because your processor doesn't know you. They approve an LLC and a US address in 5 minutes to get you in and when you're doing 30k a month, that's fine, you're background noise to them. The second you look like you're about to scale, you become their liability. They don't know your history, your product, your refund policy, or whether you can handle the volume you just found. So they freeze you, and just hold the funds. Tough situation but exactly why planning ahead is the best move in this biz.
alven@ecomalven

hi guys it’s been a month and a couple days, i’ve honestly just been handling back end work and consistently sending multiple emails throughout the day since June 7th (the day my 37k mrr store got raped) to @ShopifySupport begging for the release of my remaining funds since everything was put on holding leaving me with a total of 75k in debt. (due july 18) then @Shopify proceeded to send this, this morning. 😭🥀 even after explaining EVERYTHING and showing proof of EVERYTHING. i have 4 days to make 14k total bc that’s all i need to pay off my debts and i have a 2 schemes to potentially make this happen in 4 days. my main scheme is quick pumps n dumps like the og days and my other scheme i’ll keep it discreet until world cup is done. again im always going to be transparent with you guys. i haven’t done ecom work since june 7th bc i honestly first handled backend stuff for the first week and then i felt burnt out leading me to chill up until now. but till this day i sent emails (i have proof). i wasn’t fully a chud bc i go to the gym daily and rest sundays and i try to pick up my cross daily as well to become a little more like Jesus. but i feel like this helped me build a stronger relationship with our heavenly father who is to come one day Jesus Christ. ily guys and don’t give up ever. one day we’re all gonna be rich. see you guys for day 1 tmr John 13:7 “for you do not know what i’m doing now but later you will thank me”

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Doug Kelsey@seamlesspro93·
Let this be a lesson for anyone reading. No matter how clean you're running, you are not safe. 4 years clean, low chargebacks, no issues, and they still paused both brands SMH. You would be surprised seeing how many people DM me with these stories, it's not an uncommon occurrence. Stop working with processors who onboard you in 5 minutes and never underwrite you. The second you look big or risky they freeze you to protect their own banks. You can definitely collect reviews, it's never a bad thing to do that. Just don't make them your only line of defense.
Umar@umzrs

Shopify Holds are no joke. Especially when you're scaling, it's something that can destroy your business, and for the majority of brands, it's extremely convenient. Last month, two brands that we work with had their payments put on hold. 4+ years of successful business, low chargeback rate, low dispute rate, never any issue. Then boom. Paused. Within less than a week, both of them had it resolved, and they're now back scaling better than ever, and it had everything to do with their trust pilot. Shopify isn't stupid, and they certainly don't need your money. They will shut down anyone and everyone that seems high-risk to them. For those of you who actually run legitimate businesses, prioritising review collection on a platform like Trustpilot is your best friend and will be used to help you in the event anything like this ever happens. If you don't even ask, how do you expect customers to leave positive reviews?

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Doug Kelsey
Doug Kelsey@seamlesspro93·
This is a solved problem but you're unfortunately just on the wrong kind of platform. First, the payout pauses aren't random. When a platform onboards everyone instantly and holds the liability itself, it has to freeze payouts the second anything looks off to protect its own banks. That's just how the model works by design. We have an application for a reason. We underwrite you up front and hold the liability ourselves, so when something looks off we call the bank and clear it same day instead of freezing your money. And we still do approvals in 48 to 72 hours when the industry standard is three weeks. Dozens of the merchants we process for have crossed 8 and 9 figures because they weren't getting frozen every other week. Whether you're foreign or domestic, we can board you.
Sean Mourey@SeanMourey

Payment processing/processors is the #1 downfall/scam in any form of digital business In the last 7 years of running companies online, the issue that never seems to go away is payment processors Holds, payout pauses, disputes, limit caps the list goes on and on I’ve talked to a countless number of people in the online space and everyone has the same issue I wonder why it’s not solved @whop did a decent job starting off and as the company as grown; the more issues I run into daily I have had payouts paused by whop 7 times in the last 10 days, withdrawing money from any processor (EVEN WITHOUT DISPUTES) is the biggest issue dealing with money digitally I’ve resorted to bank wire and Zelle for most clients but still have to using a processor time to time, I genuinely despise it Any recommendations?

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Doug Kelsey@seamlesspro93·
Instant approval = instant disaster. Every single day I get messages from people losing their accounts & it's usually the same story every time. They signed up somewhere that approved them in 5 minutes and then got shut down just as fast. I see a lot of the international guys, the ITIN guys, the ones who lost Shopify and can't find a merchant account anywhere go through this. They all end up at the same places because they don't know there's other options. But where they end up usually fails them the same way Shopify did (usually because it's just a wrapper for the same service) If you need someone who actually underwrites you, understands your business, and holds the risk with you instead of dropping you the second you scale, you need to get on Seamless and then Paynote. Comment "Payments" down below and I'll personally DM you with the best set up right now.
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Doug Kelsey@seamlesspro93·
I used to hate going to events but I still went every single year. Events get you connections, those connections get you more connections, and that's what actually turns into business. I wasn't even on social media until this year but I still had some of the biggest players in the space vouching for me. Some of them I met at events. You can hate events, and plenty of people who show up do, but they know the value of them so they go anyways. And as a bonus, you'll meet some cool people while you're at it too.
Jordan D@d_grimripper

For anyone going to trade shows in the affiliate industry: I was just packing for Affiliate World and Affiliate Takeover and remembered how overwhelmed I was at my first event (Affiliate Expo Milan). I sat in the back during presentations, had no idea what I was supposed to do between talks, and was nervous to approach people because I had no results or experience. There was one video by @arbitrage that I found between Affiliate Expo and Affiliate World Budapest that completely changed how I approached networking at conferences. Starting around the 46-minute mark: youtube.com/watch?v=XwEUVX… ALL of the best business partnerships I've built started from conversations at events. Twitter and Telegram are great, but they're not a substitute for meeting people face-to-face. You won't get the same deals online, and you won't be taken nearly as seriously as someone who spent their hard earned money and took some time out of their life to go and show up to a trade show in person.

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Vintacy Service
Vintacy Service@VintacyS19701·
@seamlesspro93 Do you guys not allow processing for Irish businesses? I tried to sign up, but I can't add my phone number because Ireland isn't one of the options
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Everything torq laid out here is real. To the average processor you're a line in a margin calculation, fee revenue on one side, liability on the other. They run that math the day you onboard and every day after. And if I'm honest, it's about to get worse. I see so many different companies deciding they're "payment processors" now. For them the move makes sense because they already own your audience, your checkout, and your data. So this is just one step up. But payments isn't a feature you bolt on or hand to some random company to run for you. That's how your offers get cut even if you did nothing wrong. Some guys will take on fraud for the bag, then run the second it blows up. We don't and we won't. We've been doing this 12 years because we protect the businesses we underwrite. There's context behind every account we take on, and that's what keeps you alive.
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torq@torqmrr

A Payment processor helped a QR parking scam steal millions. And the parking scam was just one tentacle. Behind it sat a machine. Started in 2016 as a company called Linkmedia. Grew into 300 companies and nearly 3,000 websites. Run out of Dubai. Fronted by 100+ shell companies registered to random houses in the UK. Everything was dressed up to seem like streaming sites, and normal harmless offers etc. But really this fraud ring was running MRR in the back end. The same model as most of you. Recurring billing, big portfolio of MIDs. The difference? Their front end was EXTREMELY ILLEGAL which made everything else also extremely illegal. But, it was kind of elegant. Instead of buying traffic, they stole it. Fake QR codes slapped over public parking meters. Free traffic, zero acquisition cost. You scan to pay for parking, land on a 1:1 clone checkout... And then type your card in yourself. Card Details stored. Passed to the processor. Drained with MRR Maybe the cards were then later sold. The processor pushed nearly £50m of it in a single year. Extremely illegal. And they ran it for the better part of a decade. The processor kept depositing. Kept raising caps. Kept issuing fresh MIDs. But more importantly, KEPT IGNORING. Their own risk team flagged this qr scam merchant a long time ago. Money laundering mentioned all over the file. The higher ups response? An internal doc telling staff not to disclose the "master merchant" structures. They instructed the risk team to not disclose the shadow networks linking hundreds of MIDs, hundreds of entities, and thousands of websites as a single "master merchant". They instructed their team to ignore all that. In writing they told the risk team that they "should not have any knowledge of them." They didn't miss the fraud. The risk team did their job well and caught it. The higher ups just documented a reason not to look. Why? Heres why. By 2019, high-risk clients were 2% of the processor's workload. But 13.6% of its gross margin. 2% of the effort. Nearly 14% of the money. Thats why. They didn't want to walk away from that. Not for fraud. Not for money laundering. Not for anything. So they built a high-risk department and quietly weakened the AML checks to keep them. You are not a merchant to a processor. You're a line in a margin calculation. Fee revenue on one side, liability on the other. Chargebacks, fines, AML exposure and the odds it ends up in the press. They run that math the day you onboard. And every day after. In this case it was a fraud ring laundering money at scale, and the math said protect them for a decade. So what does that make you? A bet. They price you like one. What you pay in fees against what you might cost them in chargebacks, fines, and heat. That's the whole relationship. The relationship is whats important, but the relationship is all about money. Remember that the parking scam got free traffic? No acquisition cost. That meant their economics worked in a way they could afford a higher fee to the payment processor. And the payment processor accepted. Run a clean ship all you want. It doesn't automatically buy you safety, this is why we see clean wh offers going down all the time. It just buys you a slightly better line in the model. But you'll still get cut the day the math flips. They facilitated a fraud ring for a decade because it paid. They'll drop you in a week because you didn't pay enough. It's not ALL about how clean you are. It's about how much you're worth with all things considered. And with the card network monitoring programs, you've become worth less. My point? Maybe you should pay more, you might get treated better.

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sahz
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@seamlesspro93 real, sometimes just one info can unlock x100 for ur operation / infra
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Doug Kelsey@seamlesspro93·
Lots of people dunking on this, but there's a difference between buying information and buying access. You'd be surprised how much one hour of someone's time can do when they've already solved the problem you're stuck on. A call with someone ahead of you saves two years of guessing/mistakes. I process for a lot of the biggest operators in this space, and a good chunk of them do exactly this. They mentor people, and the proof is in the businesses they've actually built. The only catch is picking someone who's actually done it, not someone who just sells the idea of it.
Kai@kai_xbt

Brez Scales reveals he paid $60,000 for calls with Jordan Welch and it changed his life "At my level, I've paid people $10k for one meeting, an hour of their time. I don't need to consume a shit ton of information. I just need to ask someone who's in the position I want to be a couple of questions that change the game for me." "I paid 60 grand for some calls with Jordan Welch and it changed my life. That 60 grand was the best money I've ever spent." "What exactly am I asking? Well one of the more recent ones was $10k for a month of access to a dude's mastermind group. I was in the trenches trying to figure out how to structure our education product better for students. It was as simple as paying $10k, asking a couple of questions, and boom, I know exactly what I need to do now."

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Doug Kelsey@seamlesspro93·
Gabriel gets it, and most people don't. VAMP is exactly why the "self serve" processors turned on everyone. The banks tightened, so the platforms had to. And he's right about the tokens, if you don't own them you can't migrate your subs, your revenue just stops. The one thing I'll add - set this up before you need it. Everyone thinks they don't need a set up like this until they're already terminated with funds being held. By then you're losing money everyday for no reason. Do it while you're healthy and you will never hit that wall. Appreciate the shoutout bro. This is the right way to think about payments.
Clabey@GabrielEcomm

I've processed over $100M online. Here's everything I wish I knew about payment processing before I started ⬇️ Why Shopify payments and other "self serve" payment processors are slowly getting worse as time goes on. Visa introduced the Visa Acquirer Monitoring Program (VAMP), raising the pressure on acquiring banks and payment facilitators to aggressively manage merchant risk. The result? Platforms like Shopify Payments have become much less tolerant of chargebacks, refunds, and other risk signals than they were just a few years ago. Many merchants who would have operated without issue in the past are now seeing increased scrutiny, reserve requirements, payout holds, or even account termination much earlier than expected. If you're running subscriptions through Shopify Payments and your account is terminated, simply switching to a new processor isn't seamless. Your existing customer payment tokens are generally tied to Shopify Payments' vault. In many cases, you can't just migrate those recurring payment credentials to a new processor, meaning your existing subscriptions may stop renewing unless customers re enter their payment information. For a subscription business, that isn't just a processing problem, It's a revenue problem. The smart way to do payments -> Instead of: 100% Stripe Think: 40% -> mid 1 30% -> mid 2 20% -> mid 3 10% -> mid 4 This protects you even if one were to fail. And ensures your business never relies on one payment processing giant to control your business. By going to someone like @seamlesspro93 you get first hand support and someone you can talk to 24/7. No customer support tickets, no being alone when your business depends on efficiency and speed. When my company went down, Doug was there to support me. If you want to work with doug you can sign up with the link below or message him directly: app.seamlesschex.com/gib/ Building a strong relationship with a processor who cares is key to a long standing business, relying on these payment giants that give 0 shit if you are up or down is a huge disadvantage.

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Clabey
Clabey@GabrielEcomm·
I've processed over $100M online. Here's everything I wish I knew about payment processing before I started ⬇️ Why Shopify payments and other "self serve" payment processors are slowly getting worse as time goes on. Visa introduced the Visa Acquirer Monitoring Program (VAMP), raising the pressure on acquiring banks and payment facilitators to aggressively manage merchant risk. The result? Platforms like Shopify Payments have become much less tolerant of chargebacks, refunds, and other risk signals than they were just a few years ago. Many merchants who would have operated without issue in the past are now seeing increased scrutiny, reserve requirements, payout holds, or even account termination much earlier than expected. If you're running subscriptions through Shopify Payments and your account is terminated, simply switching to a new processor isn't seamless. Your existing customer payment tokens are generally tied to Shopify Payments' vault. In many cases, you can't just migrate those recurring payment credentials to a new processor, meaning your existing subscriptions may stop renewing unless customers re enter their payment information. For a subscription business, that isn't just a processing problem, It's a revenue problem. The smart way to do payments -> Instead of: 100% Stripe Think: 40% -> mid 1 30% -> mid 2 20% -> mid 3 10% -> mid 4 This protects you even if one were to fail. And ensures your business never relies on one payment processing giant to control your business. By going to someone like @seamlesspro93 you get first hand support and someone you can talk to 24/7. No customer support tickets, no being alone when your business depends on efficiency and speed. When my company went down, Doug was there to support me. If you want to work with doug you can sign up with the link below or message him directly: app.seamlesschex.com/gib/ Building a strong relationship with a processor who cares is key to a long standing business, relying on these payment giants that give 0 shit if you are up or down is a huge disadvantage.
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Doug Kelsey@seamlesspro93·
For the past 12 years we've changed the game with Seamless, and that's what leads to reviews like the one below. With Paynote, we're taking it to a completely different level. Card, ACH and crypto in one place. Instant payouts. Chargeback protection built in instead of bolted on after the fact. And what matters most to our merchants - risk and underwriting are in-house. That's what is going to set us apart from everyone else in the space. When this fully opens up, it's going to change the payment processing space completely. If you want early access or to join the waitlist, DM me.
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Ayoubanomaly@ayoubanomaly

@seamlesspro93 This is me, just got a sneak peek of Paynote as well. I would bet my life on it that there is no room for any other payment anything in the space anymore after the space opens up to this. 0.0 competition left.

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Doug Kelsey@seamlesspro93·
"Why do I have to fill out an application? Those other guys can approve me instantly" Because any place that approves you in 5 minutes is the same place that shuts you down 3 weeks later (you know who they are). Instant approval means they never underwrote you. They don't understand your business, your model, or your risk. So the second you scale or something looks off, they panic and cut you, hold your funds, hit you with a risk review. You get congratulated on the easy yes and lose everything a month later. If you fill out our application and get onboarded, that won't happen with us. We actually learn your business up front, so when you hit something big there's no hold with us going "what is this guy doing". Anyone can get you approved today but we can actually keep you processing for the next 10+ years with no issues. Do it once and do it right, don't be lazy and end up losing it all.
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Some of the best merchants I work with came to me after getting turned away everywhere else. Charged thousands upfront, no real support, processors that just didn't deliver. By the time they find me they're usually fed up with the whole thing. We strip out the mess and actually build them something that scales. A lot of these guys now are on track for their first 8 figures, some heading to 9. This is what one of them had to say. If you're tired of being treated like a risk score instead of a business, this is where that stops. DM me or comment "Processing" below and I'll help you.
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Doug Kelsey@seamlesspro93·
I'll add some actionable advice in here too. Do all the boring stuff nobody wants to do or doesn't look good in a post. Find good partners and build cool things with them, take care of your team, make sure you can fulfil your promises to clients/customers/everyone, stay committed day after day. Do the actual work that will keep you in this game longterm.
Siddharth@siddharthwv

Be a guy in his 20s. Build an online business. Make wifi money. Grow a personal brand. Travel the world. Read books. 10K steps a day. Make $10k - $15k/month. Do one thing that scares you every day Be so psychotically locked in that your current self has no choice but to keep up.

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Doug Kelsey@seamlesspro93·
I process over $5 billion/year in payments for brands you've all heard of. A lot of you in the industry already know my name but I’ve just never had an online presence before. 12 years ago I started as an affiliate and every time I hit on something good, the processor would come out of nowhere and tell me they couldn't accept us anymore. That's when I realized that having no control kills your business. So me and my two partners built the processing solution we didn’t have back then. Now we run a top 3 high-risk processor in the US, have brands processing $100-$200 million a month through us, and we own an ACH platform on top of it. Brands come to us because when you get big enough, you don't want to be on a platform that you don’t own, you have no control over and the day something goes wrong, nobody picks up to help you. I treat the guy running $5k a month the same as the guy running $500M a month. That's the whole reason I'm getting on here. If you're in ecom, supplements, gaming, adult, info, or anything with recurring billing. I'm the guy you want to know before that happens.
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