@Blingoose @MarathonDevTeam What’s unbalanced? That the other players are better than you ?
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snejan
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@MarathonDevTeam The most Unbalanced piece of trash I’ve ever spent 200 hours on.
Fix solo idiots
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We’ve rolled out a small update to Sponsored Dire Marsh's Crew Fill: if you’ve got your mic on, we’ll now do our best to match you with other players using voice chat too.
If you're in the mood to chat, we want to make sure you're able to coordinate with like-minded Runners.
Let us know how it’s going!
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@CalebRose21 @KhanOnTwitch Yeah they are more low skilled crutch weapons.
every team in open maps run three snipers and in tighter maps wstr.
So it’s sniper-war until someone gets a full kill or bubble/wall peaking in CC with wstr.
Wouldn’t pistol/smg/AR only be a more fun gameplay?
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@snejan8 @KhanOnTwitch I say you’re unskilled for wanting them gone, you say I’m unskilled for using them. Reality is this is an extraction shooter, not call of duty. You want your hand held, go play that. Better yet go play Tarkov and get one tap downed by any gun at any range. That’d be fun to see
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WSTR nerf rubs me the wrong way only bc if they didn’t nerf melees, we might not be having this convo
PLUS it makes an already tough solo experience worse, bc you’ve not only nerfed rooks melee but now you’re nerfing their only good weapon too?? did we think this through Bungie?
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@CalebRose21 @KhanOnTwitch Rather the opposite, what’s more skillful:
Tracking 20-30 bullets in a row or hit 1-2 resulting in the same outcome?
They are crutch weapons so people that are bad and can’t track properly can get kills.
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@snejan8 @KhanOnTwitch “I’m bad at playing against very specific types of guns so I think they should be removed from the game because I can adapt”
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@DMTool1 @Terra6216z @KhanOnTwitch So you are the last man standing against another enemy last in their team, he’s never fired his wstr so you don’t know he has one, you get him good from 40m range, maybe 20 hp left, do you push or wait for him to heal up behind the wall?
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@Terra6216z @KhanOnTwitch Its 2 shots. You can't 1 shot with wstr. You have a skill issue by running up people's ass.
They should have nerfed the ROF so you can't dump 2 shells simultaneously.
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@CalebRose21 @KhanOnTwitch Yeah remove them from the game and take the snipers with them.. shotguns and snipers is a nightmare to balance in every FPS game. I rather see them on the low side balance wise, more like an utility or just remove them completely
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@KhanOnTwitch My problem with this whole Nerf close range high damage options, is that that’s what they’re supposed to be. If you get too close to an enemy, that was a misplayed by you and you deserve to take the down. I don’t know why we’re catering to bad strategic plays
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@SmojiiTTV @BeauSampson23 I see it the other way.. one-tap crap in games are for the people that are bad so they can get a kill.
What’s harder, track 30 bullets in a row or 1-2 bullets?
This game without snipers and shotguns would be awesome, you got time to react and use skills/gear that’s in the game.
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@BeauSampson23 Imma keep it real with you. If you cant stand to die fast in an extraction shooter. Its a skill issue. If you hated the wstr and pre nerf knife I see you as a bad player. Idc how good you think you are. You are ass at extraction shooters and need to move on to arc raiders.
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We slowly watching marathon turn into a fucking BR because people are so fucking ass at the game they cant function unless everything that's strong gets nerfed
Such a good fucking game gonna get turned into a pile of shit. I literally predicted this word for fucking word. Rip.
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@Invicta_D2 No it gives bad players a chance to kill someone by accident because they managed to hit 1-2 shots instead of 20-30.. all FPS games should remove them, the balance is a nightmare, but I would rather see them on the weak side if they need to exist.
Award gun skill.
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The WSTR is kind of the Great Equalizer because it gives Rooks and players with worse gear the chance to punish/outplay overconfident teams. I think it deserves to keep that power because stacked players will just run the misriah and have that much more of an advantage post nerf
Ziegler@Ziegler_Dev
UPDATE: WTF WSTRs We're gonna take a shot at bringing the WSTR more in line. Right now it's become a dominant option and is eclipsing a lot of the other short range options that exist in the game. SOOOOOO... as of Tuesday 4/21 (likely 8AM PT) the WSTR will no longer be able to down an enemy player who has blue shields or above with two shots. The ideal is that in a majority of cases this will force a reload in scenarios where the target has a blue shield, allowing for some more counterplay in these scenarios. What Will Change: - Change will go live Tuesday 4/21 in the morning. Likely 8AM PT. - WSTRs can still down a green shielded target with 2 direct shots at short rang - WSTRs will no longer be able to down a blue and above shielded target with 2 shots at short range. We're still keeping an eye on a variety of balance issues. Thanks for all the feedback, keep it coming and we'll keep hammering at it.
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@marathonaire They should never put snipers or shotguns in the game in first place. They are a nightmare to balance compared to auto and semi auto weapons.
This game with only pistols/smg/AR would be so nice.
Track 30 bullets compared to 1-2 that’s gun skill.
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Very worried about how heavy handed bungie is with balance, I think the WSTR nerfs are dumb because it effectively kills being able to mod the gun. You run stack overflow or guns unusable. They need to remember this is a pvp game where you lose sometimes. The wstr was fine before
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@KryDotExe Or just remove shotguns and snipers from the game?
The game with only pistol/smg/AR would be nice. Require tracking skills.
Shotguns and snipers are crutches, anyone can kill whoever, even by accident if they hit their 1-2 shots. But to hit 30 bullets in a row that’s a skill
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Respectfully, this is overkill. You nerfed the knife which removed the option to punish people overpushing (which for the record, I'm fine with!), and now you're removing yet another tool to punish overpushing.
I think a ROF decrease would've been a better solution, personally. Or a range nerf.
Ziegler@Ziegler_Dev
UPDATE: WTF WSTRs We're gonna take a shot at bringing the WSTR more in line. Right now it's become a dominant option and is eclipsing a lot of the other short range options that exist in the game. SOOOOOO... as of Tuesday 4/21 (likely 8AM PT) the WSTR will no longer be able to down an enemy player who has blue shields or above with two shots. The ideal is that in a majority of cases this will force a reload in scenarios where the target has a blue shield, allowing for some more counterplay in these scenarios. What Will Change: - Change will go live Tuesday 4/21 in the morning. Likely 8AM PT. - WSTRs can still down a green shielded target with 2 direct shots at short rang - WSTRs will no longer be able to down a blue and above shielded target with 2 shots at short range. We're still keeping an eye on a variety of balance issues. Thanks for all the feedback, keep it coming and we'll keep hammering at it.
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@ShacosBabygirl Or just remove snipers and shotguns from the game. it’s so hard to balance.
This game with only pistols/smg/ar, dream. You need to track, not get one-tapped because a player can hit one shot.
Or Atleast shrink the reticle, two HS can ”one-tap”, now there is some skill to it.
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Bro…. I hate it here…. Making it only kill green shields is ridiculous, it should still be able to kill blue but not purple imo.
And lowkey sad that it seems like everything is just getting nerfed to be mundane and boring.
I do not want a game full of mediocre guns. I want one where they feel strong and powerful to use. I want to live that power fantasy. Not some nerf war…..
And maybe itll be a good change, but I stg the community just bitches about every gun that can one shot… have we not played extraction shooters??? That feels like part of the game. Whats the point of playing bullet sponge sim?
Please stop nerfing shit to make bad people complain less :(
Ziegler@Ziegler_Dev
UPDATE: WTF WSTRs We're gonna take a shot at bringing the WSTR more in line. Right now it's become a dominant option and is eclipsing a lot of the other short range options that exist in the game. SOOOOOO... as of Tuesday 4/21 (likely 8AM PT) the WSTR will no longer be able to down an enemy player who has blue shields or above with two shots. The ideal is that in a majority of cases this will force a reload in scenarios where the target has a blue shield, allowing for some more counterplay in these scenarios. What Will Change: - Change will go live Tuesday 4/21 in the morning. Likely 8AM PT. - WSTRs can still down a green shielded target with 2 direct shots at short rang - WSTRs will no longer be able to down a blue and above shielded target with 2 shots at short range. We're still keeping an eye on a variety of balance issues. Thanks for all the feedback, keep it coming and we'll keep hammering at it.
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@AlexDav20722116 @JesseKazam I think they should remove snipers and shotguns in every FPS game, it’s a nightmare to balance, and the need to track with smgs/pistols and ARs support a higher skill ceiling. Not a one tap weapon that anyone by accident can kill anyone with
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@JesseKazam “Spacing” this “knife nerf” that. I agree with you tbh. I think snipers and shotguns should be found during runs and sold at exfil. True power weapons you can utilize off finding them off a dead bot, locker, etc. you want the extra power? Take it but it’s gone after
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The WSTR shotgun legit makes me not want to play Marathon.
In a game all about variety and build crafting it just feels so flat and boring to have almost every player in the game running that shotgun.
I understand the argument “if shotguns aren’t good close range than they are useless” but it feels like we are on the other end of that. Closing distance is so easy and the shotgun is SO good, why would anyone use anything else?
And if everyone is using a gun because they feel like they HAVE to, then idk if I would call that balanced.
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@GeminiJack11 @BasedTurkey23 @chro_Mia How do you play your majority of games, is it with a pre-stack with friends?
Or solo crew fill?
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@BasedTurkey23 @chro_Mia Literally one of the best parts of an extraction game is preparing and getting your kit and build together just right; the other best part is killing another team and taking their stuff that's better than yours.
This new mode eliminates both
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@chi_is_a_mess This is what ranked should be, you buy into sponsored kits, can bring keys. High risk to open one but high reward with the loot inside. Everyone start on somewhat equal ground
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Diremarsh Free kit mode shows some us some important things.
Combat feels much more fun when we are using our guns, theres no utility spam, infinite bubbles.
On the other hand it makes me question the purpose of diremarsh and perimeter, other than to complete priority contracts
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@Ziegler_Dev This is what ranked should be like, but into a better sponsored kit, can bring keys to upgrade loot in the map
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UPDATE: FREE KIT FRENZY - EXPERIMENTAL QUEUE - DIRE MARSH SPONSORED
Thank you to all of you who participated in the Duos Experiments we've had over the past few weeks. We're currently working on making duos a real feature in Season 2 and are diligently working on delivering that to all of you who are eagerly awaiting its return.
ABOUT EXPERIMENTAL QUEUES:
The experimental queue is a time limited queue that allows us to preview features in development with you, often with a less-than-complete feature set. This queue allows the Marathon development team to learn and obtain feedback that helps us deliver a more completed feature set down the line. For the sake of queue health and focus we only run one experimental queue at a time. Once we have learned enough to understand our next steps for this feature, we start work on finalizing the feature and move on to the next experiment. Your participation in any experiment is greatly appreciated and is very helpful to us in developing features down the line.
THE NEXT EXPERIMENT:
What happens when you bring a knife... to a knife fight? For our next experiment, starting Wednesday, 4/15 at 10AM PT, we will be enabling the Dire Marsh - Sponsored Queue. This is a new experimental queue that is focused on learning a bit more about our early gear ecosystem. In this queue all players will enter with a free sponsored kit and be challenged to use what they find on Dire Marsh to upgrade themselves and get out! Details below.
DIRE MARSH SPONSORED
Details: The experiment will run for approximately 2 weeks, from 4/15 @ 10AM PT to 4/29 @ 10AM PT. We may change the end timing depending on anything we discover along the way that might warrant us to make an adjustment.
--You will only be eligible to enter the queue if you (and your crew) have a free sponsored kit (white tier) equipped.
--You can enter as a premade duo (crew fill off), premade trio, or crew fill into a trio.
--The queue will only be for the Dire Marsh Zone.
--To enter this queue, you can select "Dire Marsh Sponsored" from the zone list.
What we will be observing and looking to understand:
--How the game plays out with low fixed set gear conditions and caps.
--How the zero to hero play works in low starting set gear conditions and caps.
--Any technical issues that arise.
There are many other changes and additions coming on Wednesday 4/15 PT as well so stay tuned to learn more from the Marathon Discord, and across all the social channels for MarathonTheGame / MarathonDevTeam. Thanks everyone. We appreciate your passion and all the commitment you have to providing us feedback and helping us learn more to evolve Marathon!
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@IFrostBolt @AustinDavis0696 Won’t see a change in a while, because all the players sitting on lots of blue thermals in their stash.
They should have just removed it completely
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@AustinDavis0696 The fog + thermals made it really easy to do.
I guess thermals being more rare and nerfed will fix that issue and make the fog effect actually something to be happy about?
Prob a let me wait to see how it plays out kinda patch
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I’m bummed that there we no changes to the fog on Dire Marsh and Perimeter..
I don’t know how much longer I can engage with those maps :/
It’s a shame because Dire is my fav map. Most of the time I can’t really appreciate the visuals & I can’t see shit. Thermals getting nerfed kind of puts us all on the same level. It isn’t a fun lv to be at tho
Marathon Development Team@MarathonDevTeam
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@TalkativeTri Haven’t played in 8 months, still waiting for the full release. This “beta” testing phase was a big mistake from their part in my opinion.
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There's some speculation out by an intelligent person in the Path of Exile 2 community, creator of PoE2DB, that 0.5 might be delayed to June and the next update would be 1.0 in December.
While I think it's UNLIKELY and it would be unfortunate, I'm in the let them cook camp.
If GGG thinks they need time, take it, hope it's good!
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@Garris0n24 @TalkativeTri Yeah they have to check all players vacation-schedules before changing anything 👍
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@TalkativeTri I swear if they push it back until June while I’m on vacation. I’ll uninstall
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@Shin0a_ Muscle-memory, it’s like riding a bike, playing guitar. The first month or two maybe will suck, but you will pick it up quick again.
I played CS 1.3, 1.5 and 1.6 a lot in my youth and 20 years later I picked up MnK FPS again and learnt very quickly, it’s still there.
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I wish I could enjoy pve games/non FPS games more but the fear of losing my aim for good or losing progress is genuinely terrifying to me, but I'm really struggling to enjoy comp FPS games atm. Please does anyone know what I can do to break this mentality, I wanna play other shit
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@CreXote @Relaxed008 What? It really shows the opposite, bots don’t care what game you play… he should have stayed at the same all the time no matter what he did.
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@Relaxed008 That’s how you know his “fan base” didn’t really exist, and more than likely botting
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Good for him. I get that people come to watch a certain game,
But I’ll never completely understand the viewers that can watch 50+ hours a month of a streamer, but the second they change a game it’s like all value is lost to them.
yoxic@yoxics
TheBurntPeanut has dropped 41% in viewership since January after choosing not to play ARC Raiders on stream
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@DeeJay_X_ @IFrostBolt “Pure joy” = were the F is the joy when you remove the whole point/challenge of the game..can’t feel any pride to down anyone, loot does not mean anything, everything in the game becomes pointless..
Cheaters got to be mentally retarded, like there’s a missing gene somewhere.
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POV: You’re were a Destiny PvP player and read this response.
Marathon Development Team@MarathonDevTeam
We’ve seen the conversation about cheaters, toxicity, and competitive integrity in Marathon, so here’s a quick update from our Product Security team. Detection & enforcement: We have a zero-tolerance policy around cheating. We’re actively banning confirmed cheaters and expanding our telemetry and detection methods to better catch the aforementioned cheaters. Some of this work is live already, and more improvements will roll out over the coming weeks. Anti-cheat is a continuous cycle of monitoring, improving, and responding. This is an area that we will continue to invest in to protect the integrity of your runs. Reporting tools: We’re iterating on reporting for both cheating and toxic behavior: ➡️ Making it easier to flag suspected cheaters in-game and via our web tools. ➡️ Improving how you report harassment and other Code of Conduct violations. ➡️ Exploring in‑game mailbox messages so that when a report you filed leads to action, we can follow-up and let you know. Voice & comms: Longer term, we’re investing in better voice chat moderation tools to help us more reliably act on repeat abusers in proximity and team chat, alongside the tools provided by each platform. Stream sniping: We know stream sniping is a real pain point, especially in Ranked. We’re working with our Trust & Safety and design teams on better in-game protections, like name privacy options. If you run into suspicious behavior or harassment, please keep reporting it. Clips, VODs, and any supporting files you have can be delivered to us directly on our reporting website, right here: safety.bungie.net/hc/en-us/artic… It all feeds into the systems and people working to keep Tau Ceti fair. Thanks for letting us know what you're seeing out there.
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