@Aeon212 @ZELLKLUMPEN Pro-choice people are so braindead they can't been follow their own argument...
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@ZELLKLUMPEN I think I just lost brain cells from this reply, so thanks for that I guess.
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@EJohns03 @JonnyRoot_ Why? Are we supposed to allow the trans-industry child abusers to go undeterred?
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@JerryKinTX Every animal is someone with their own experiences, not something to be reduced to a product. Go vegan.
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We put a human “lobster” on a plate outside @MELobsterFest to force people to see the victim behind the tradition🦞💔
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@darktvad @ikersuarz When did Cueta belong to Morocco?
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@ikersuarz But Ceuta is in Morocco! And it's an occupied Moroccan territory! They only went to their occupied land!
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The joy of victory against an order that confines and condemns you to indignity
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@asdfgh_34526 @RaxRazing @Mbakaza4L Epstein had to hide from Western culture to do what he did. Muhammad is revered in yours. We are not the same.
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"Is that your culture? I don't like it." Lmaooo
End Wokeness@EndWokeness
"Is that your culture? I don't like it."
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@ChrisGeorgeBerg @ReformedToRome @OpStCyprian There are two things running in parallel because of the counterexample :
Irenaeus on the eucharist
Irenaeus on Jesus age
What you need is a symmetry breaker so that the counterexample doesn't hold.
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@ReformedToRome @somethinghere87 @OpStCyprian They didn't even read irenaeus, who doesn't claim he from the apostles or tradition he entirely got it from reason.
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@altparadisus @EricLDaugh Fishback wants to ban private beaches. You're being sold a bill of goods.
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@EricLDaugh Fishback is the only America first candidate. Donald’s is bought and paid for.
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@ChrisGeorgeBerg @ReformedToRome @OpStCyprian Grok was able to understand. It is actually fairly simple.
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I don't even know what you're trying to point out. You're just saying we're wrong because?
And nobody's claiming irenaeus was perfect in everything he said. That's not a claim that Catholic church has ever made.
But if you're going to disagree with him at least know what he said
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@ChrisGeorgeBerg @ReformedToRome @OpStCyprian @grok can you explain to Chris in simple language what my argument has been regarding Irenaeus?
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@ChrisGeorgeBerg @ReformedToRome @OpStCyprian We actually don't. He was wrong. The counterexample succeeds irrespective of context so long as he actually believed/claimed that Jesus was 50.
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@somethinghere87 @ReformedToRome @OpStCyprian You need to engage with the actual argument from irenaeus. You need to engage with the scripture he quoted. And not ignore it.
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No, I'm pointing out the Catholic line of reasoning. The reasoning is obviously fallacious which is why the counterexample is apt.
The counter example shows that at the very least not all of Irenaeus' claims are true. This acts as a defeater for the claim that because Irenaeus said it, it is therefore true.
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@somethinghere87 @ReformedToRome @OpStCyprian Honestly I don't know what you're trying to say here. You would need to make a well-formed argument to explain this. You're not even addressing what irenaeus wrote. You're just tossing it out there with hopes it sticks
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@ChrisGeorgeBerg @ReformedToRome @OpStCyprian This is the poor reasoning we are arguing against:
Irenaeus claimed X
Irenaeus got his information from important chain.
Therefore X is true.
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@ReformedToRome @somethinghere87 @OpStCyprian I want to know why Sola scriptura Protestants consider irenaeus having a bad argument, when it's a scripture based argument.
It seems they would have a more receptive view of irenaeus here then someone who uses Church tradition
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@ReformedToRome @ChrisGeorgeBerg @OpStCyprian Irenaeus claimed X
Irenaeus got his information from important chain.
Therefore X is true.
Do you see the issue with the line of reasoning?
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@ChrisGeorgeBerg @somethinghere87 @OpStCyprian Irenaeus gets Jesus’ age at death wrong as he argues against the Gnostic pleroma argument and that Jesus sanctified every age. It requires knowing the context of his argument.
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@ReformedToRome @OpStCyprian What context justifies the error?
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Too often Protestants simplify this error by Irenaeus as just getting the age wrong but don’t actually know what he was arguing contra Gnosticism. Do you actually know what he was doing in his argument (outside the error) have you read it? Do you know what the gnostics believed about the number 30? Why it might relate and what was sanctified by Christ according to Irenaeus? If you’re going to note the error place it in its actual context.
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@somethinghere87 @wjstarck @MJKelleyII The earlier Councils listed the books which were affirmed at later Councils including Trent.
Councils dogmatise positions when faced with heretical or heterodox positions like Arianism, the same happened at Trent, as 7 NT and 7 OT books were questioned by protesters.
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Roman Catholic - WE canonized the Bible. You’re welcome
Me - can you give a citation from church history that says Roman Catholic in fact canonized the Bible!
Roman Catholic - 🦗 🦗 🦗
Me - So that’s a no? Didn’t think so!
P.S. if you start posting church counselors that used books I will not respond. That just tells me you didn’t read the post. SHOW where it was officially canonized! Answer is after the Reformation! But I’ll wait.
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@wjstarck @MJKelleyII Can you quote from those councils what it was reaffirming?
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@MJKelleyII No, you silly goofball 🤣
Trent was just re-affirming what had been put forth at the councils of Rome (382), the Councils of Hippo (393), and Carthage (397 and 419)
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@Cross_SlashDior @IndianaBrunner You wouldn't have scripture to quote if someone before the authors hadn't taught them to read and write. What does that imply about the people who taught them to read and write? Notice that you do NOT need an infallible means of passing on or spotting an infallible thing.
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@IndianaBrunner You wouldn’t have Scripture to quote if it weren’t from the Church that praised the Theotokos.
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“For God alone, O my soul, wait in silence, for my hope is from him.” (Psalm 62:5)
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@KrystoKing @btbsoco What's your source for that regarding Jews?
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@somethinghere87 @btbsoco Bathsheba.
You're saying she was a one-off scenario, but Christians (and Jews) traditionally understand these verses as indicative of the position the mother of the king held
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I am a Catholic by much of my spirituality and I agree this work is excessive - veneration and devotion to Mary should still be scriptural - these words are not, and too much veneration and devotion to Mary goes unchecked, unfiltered and uncorrected. Pointing this out does not undermine the high honour owed to Mary blessed theotokos, but we must Reform such practices so as to not to be excessive!
5 Solas@5Solas
This is idolatry, not veneration.
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