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Geopolitics from outside the Atlantic consensus. Realist, structuralist, not credentialed.

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@southofconsensus@southoconsensus·
#IranWar‌ 2/Most Likely Frozen war. The MOU gets signed, the war is declared "over" for political purposes, the 30-day negotiation produces partial agreement,the blockade gradually softens into a permanent sanctions regime, the strait reopens partially.
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Patrick Henningsen
ATTENTION: THERE IS NO 'DEAL' TO BE SIGNED. Regarding Iran, on the table now is a mere Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) - not a final accord or treaty. Rather, it's only an acknowledgement of a future process to take place over the next 18 months. The real problem: the word "Deal" used in a diplomatic context is an invention of the Trump regime, it's intententionally devoid of diplomatic context or historical precedent. The Media need to really be slapped for continuing to use this silly & deceptive term. REALITY: Iran's & Trump's competing MOU terms are a literal minefield stretching into the future, that's to say nothing about Israel's numerous announcements about how they will sabotage any ceasefire (which they already have in Lebanon as we speak). The reason Trump keeps using "Deal" is because he is incapable of conducting any real negotiations or accepting any Iranian terms (Iran is the obvious winner & normally winner issues terms with loser, not 'even negotiation' as the clueless sophmoric VP JD Vance said yesterday 🤦), and is disingenuously trying to separate Israel from the wider equation - when we all know it is Israel who initiated this war to begin with. Trump's framing of these endless ephemeral "Deals" is by design - to fool the public and guarantee that any meaningful negotiations fail - which is why he has a string of perennial failures: unwilling/unable to resolve Russia-Ukraine, Gaza, and now Iran. In fact, he's made all of them worse at every stage. A total failure on every level. Trump is one of history's losers. Nothing can change that now because as the world can now see, he's too incompetent, as are the many idiot savants & grifters around him masquerading as a Cabinet.
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Frontier Indica
Frontier Indica@frontierindica·
India’s greatest export is not software or IT services or textiles or pharmaceuticals. It is ambition under constraint. The educated white collar Indian who leaves for America, Canada, the UK, Singapore, Australia or Dubai is not always more talented than the Indian who stays. He is quite often the same person placed in a system where rules are clearer, public goods work better, institutions are less insulting and competence has more room to compound. That is what makes the NRI story so revealing. The same family that was negotiating with babus, brokers, landlords, power cuts, school admissions, relatives and polluted air suddenly becomes disciplined abroad. Taxes are paid. Lanes are followed. Public libraries are used. Parks are respected. Children play outside. The same people who "adjusted" endlessly in India become civic participants elsewhere. They stop stressing about facing off against the intensity of low cunning, low trust behaviour and can focus more intently on innovation and wealth creation. This should disturb us more than it does. It means Indians are not naturally chaotic and are not naturally unimaginative. They are often responding rationally to chaos, bureaucracy and a dysfunctional environment. Put them in a high-trust system and many behave like high-trust citizens. Put them in a low-trust system and they become defensive, extractive and suspicious. Culture matters, but systems train culture every day. The tragedy is that India produces millions of people capable of flourishing in better institutional environments, then treats their exit as either betrayal of the nation or false pride. It is neither. It is simply market feedback about a society which did not allow them to grow.
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I would not go delving too much into the data (as long as the ranking is right), for me the story is that we have increasing capability in manufacturing. As far as the percentage to gdp goes we need to remember that we are growing our GDP faster than manufacturing growth (maybe due to us still being majorly a services export driven economy) so in absolute terms we have increased our manufacturing capability which I would take as a good news.
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Rajiv Malhotra
Rajiv Malhotra@RajivMessage·
Agreed about Kant and other babus. But the industrialists drove the govt policy in a self serving direction, so BOTH are culpable. Notice how Pai constantly evades discussing the issues I have raised consistently since the early 2000s - that tech giants must allocate at least 10% to fundamental R&D in tech. Each time he has responded by insulting me personally as a way to evade the topic, and protecting his peers.
Chinmay A. Singh@chinmay

Indians are blaming Infy/Murthy/Nandan for a lack of home-grown LLM. But that blame is misplaced. Infy/Murthy/Nandan could never start an AI company. They had money and they could have fund something. But that again, is their money and why should they risk it? The real culprit here is Amitabh Kant and other IAS like him. These are the people, why I left India and started two companies in the US. These are the people, why much of Indian talent left to work for US based companies. And these folks did well. Let's say the government gives me $10B and ask me to set up an AI lab in India. Am I qualified to do it? YES. Will I do it? HELL NO And you would ask why? Some would say that I have a cozy life in the US. Some would say, I have deep connection in the US, including family. All of that is correct but does not pin point the reason why I wont start a company in India. The real reason is Babu. Unlike, many In India who think competing for 1000 seats using some bullshit essay writing contest makes Babu some wizard, I have not come across one, I will hire as an analyst. Under no circumstance, I am gonna report to a babu (Happy report to Dharmendra Pradhan or Smriti Irani though). Also, under no circumstances, I will accept a position where I am unable to fire and put an IAS in jail if they reported to me and indulged in some corruption. Till this babu problem is fixed, no NRI would come to India. If I were the CIA or CCP, trying to ensure that India does not gain AI independence, I would make every effort to protect Babu fiefdom.

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Kit Walker
Kit Walker@pegasus191·
Rajeev ji, You taught us in a course at ISB… know that you are a intellectual …hence respectfully wish to bring your attention to three issues : 1. @TVMohandasPai ji is not being targeted because he is from Bangalore or an IT titan. He made a plea to the PM asking for allocation of funds. People are pointing out that Infosys et al are sitting on billions of dollars in cash and not developing products. 2. Where does it say that a services company cannot and should not develop products ? Infosys made Finacle earning them billions , TCS made BaNCS, Fractal made Qure.AI , Palantir made Gotham and Maven… these are all services led companies which are thriving on products. 3. By remarking about @TVMohandasPai sir, the ecosystem is making a case against successful businesses in India (be if Reliance, Adani, Mahindra, Infosys etc) that they need to take a leap of faith and sink in their money… of course the Govt would join in.. what’s the ANRF ₹1 Lakh crore fund for… but Sir, rather than lament , why don’t they drive the change… Sam Altman openly challenged India… we are yet to see substantial development of foundational models funded by the Indian industry…(other than Sarvam) So, please don’t make it a case of regional targeting.. and sectoral targeting… An awake and alert youth in India is a very good characteristic of our democracy !
Rajeev Mantri@RMantri

It is very curious and strange how a loud and foul mouthed section of the online mob keeps attacking India’s IT industry. Why would you expect a services focused business to “get into” product development? It is very, very difficult to do both these things in the same organization. It is like asking a land animal to fly or a bird to swim. Anybody who has run a business of reasonable size will recognize the difficulties of doing this. The constant ranting against IT companies just goes to show, how stupid and disconnected from reality the loudmouths are. x.com/rmantri/status… Why don’t these people ever train their guns on the mega conglomerates? Why don’t Jindal, Reliance and other groups ever get questioned? x.com/rmantri/status… If anything those in a conglomerate model should be able to deploy capital with more agility in new industries. And these groups routinely do it in old economy sectors. But they too should be left to their own devices (as long as they don’t abuse their influence to trample and crush new age industries and startups) and the answer to their disproportionate power and sway is ease of doing business, reduction in barriers to entry, stronger regulatory institutions in areas like competition monitoring - but again, why aren’t these mega conglomerates ever questioned by the online commentariat? I think the answer is that unlike their Mumbai and Delhi based billionaire brethren, Bengaluru’s IT company founders have remained more egalitarian, more approachable, less flashy and more grounded. This makes them soft targets to the pathetic pillorying by the deranged online mob runners - despite their great wealth and influence (honestly earned, unlike some other business dynasties), they appear to be “one of us” and hence, easy to villainize and even abuse. There is a reason Mafatlal did not enter steel industry. There is a reason Reliance did not enter the IT industry. The same holds for IT industry. Why vilify them in this condemnable manner? Different businesses and new industries will require new entrepreneurs to build and create the way. And I can tell you one thing - the way founders and executives of IT industry have taken to not just entrepreneurship beyond IT sector but even angel investing and backing Indian venture capital funds, it is a golden example for other industrialists and business owners in India.

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@southofconsensus@southoconsensus·
@ritwikshukla 😀-then I accept my mistake. I was just projecting my thinking - I do not have any expectations from those people who get bollywood stars to serve food just to show off their wealth and clout. That just shows their feudal mindset, hard to expect strategic vision from them.
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Ritwik Shukla@ritwikshukla·
@southoconsensus Dandho keeps talking about ai, data, india as if he is making a sacrifice for us.. see his annual agm once..
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Ritwik Shukla
Ritwik Shukla@ritwikshukla·
It cost less then a certain dhandho's GENFA wedding of US$480–600 million to build a frontier model; so while you bash the likes of TCS take finger and poke into the dhandho bro's who are signing DC deals left right and center with MS, Meta, and Google for comodity business..
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Mitaoli
Mitaoli@fadedtune_m·
Strange premise. The Enlightenment itself was built on knowledge that traveled from India via the Arab world to Europe, especially Indian mathematics, zero, numerals, astronomy, and algebra. The Japanese, Koreans, all of SE Asia and Chinese were also shaped by Indian religions, culture, art and architecture over millennia. India survived 1000 years of invasions from Islam and then 200 years of a Christian Colonialism that were both about destroying the indigenous Hindu-Jain-Boudh religions-culture-people and fabric of India while impoverishing the most ancient civilization and the richest land on the planet at the tine. Fact that Hindus survived the 1000 year genocidal onslaught, the only ancient religion and continuously existing ancient civilization to do so — where Egyptians, Greeks, Romans & Persians all fell to Christians or Muslims — itself is a sign of India’s resilience. Unfortunately, despite Partition we are straddled with 200 Muslims freeloading off our country and impeding its progress . But another decades Hindus should get India back to its position among the top countries .
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@southofconsensus@southoconsensus·
A classic example of hatred and bigotry hidden in the cloak of sophistry. There is weakness is hinduism but not what you are highlighting, hinduism becomes weak in the near term because of the diversity and a sense of detachment from the world that is build into the religion. Not a lack of morality that you want the world to believe, A monotheistic religion which has one set of rule to follow will always be stronger in near term, but will eventually end up being an echo chamber. This is also a lens that is incorrect and racist from @ducati_dada the whole premise that because Indians were colonised and should have learnt civilisation from the europeans is the same lens that the rest of the MAGA and white supremacists believe and use.
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Daniel Khan 🇺🇸 🇵🇰
Daniel Khan 🇺🇸 🇵🇰@Beautifulday98X·
The enlightenment came because of the internal locus of morality inside Christianity. Once the protestant revolution occurred and northern Europeans revolted against the Catholic Church millions of European men slaughtered each other over very strong moral positions. The moral position that won was that true Christianity not only allowed for an Enlightenment, but that true Christianity would be better with enlightenment. Hinduism does not have a strong internal locus of morality, so you are not going to see 20 Million Hindu's attack, their clergy, feudal land lords, corrupt politicians etc. What is needed for a true enlightenment in India. Indian's are going to try to go along to get along with all the corruption. So it's the weakness of Hinduism, that does not allow for an enlightenment.
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Celibate Mandingo@ducati_dada·
India was ruled by Europeans for 200 years, but still India failed to learn modernity and European Enlightenment (power of reason over everything else) as good as the Japanese, Koreans and the Chinese. Can someone please explain me why ?
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@southofconsensus@southoconsensus·
@sreemoytalukdar In all probability US attacked in retaliation to Jaishankar call (or otherwise) and India not ready to accept US role due to domestic fury.
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I have a different take on this. India killed US personnel in Kairana hills and in Noor Khan command centre. Dhurandhars killed many US operatives in Bangladesh during Yunus fiasco. Dhurandhars killed 10-odd more in Myanmar. Plus it arrested couple. But US cannot accept the deaths in Kairana as the maal there is all their own and they can't reveal that the operatives killed in BD and Myanmar are covert ops. On the top, we insulted Rubio too. USA decided to take revenge overtly. Now it is challenging India ki Kya ukaad legaa. Ball is in India’s court. As I said earlier - Modi has no ego of his own. Hindu-nation’s ego is Modi’s ego. He is sheep and nation is shepherd. If it is in the interest of that they need
The Hindu@the_hindu

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio has said that any violation of the American blockade and illicit transport of Iranian oil through the Strait of Hormuz will not be tolerated. thehindu.com/news/internati…

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Sreemoy Talukdar
Sreemoy Talukdar@sreemoytalukdar·
Chinese bots and analysts on X are making a killing, appearing sympathetic to Indian cause, garnering support from gullible Indians while tacitly promoting servility to Beijing. One way discourse, since Indians have no access to Chinese social media behind the great firewall.
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@TVMohandasPai he wont give up, you are not winning this one Mr Pai, take your money and go home. In this age and times people can see through the duplicity.
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Mohandas Pai
Mohandas Pai@TVMohandasPai·
Please understand the 5 layers of AI and where we should invest. You are a rational sensible person. The speed of change, the huge investments of the US are unparalleled and we need a proper response
Arun Krishnan 🇮🇳@ArunKrishnan_

Sir, it that had been the thinking in the 60s, we wouldn't have built the Nuclear bomb. The same thinking would have prevented us from developing the cryogenic engine. We have to start somewhere. Sarvam AI is a fantastic start. The larger IT services companies must start investing in R&D.

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@southofconsensus@southoconsensus·
Mr Pai - Why are you so agitated to hear the truth and blaming it n everyone else except your own actions and vision ? You are not on the hook to do anything, say that and move on, you don't have to show your desperation on the twitter/X. No need for any excuses. The agitation is because you want social and national gratitude for slave marketing. Which I am sceptical that you will get in near to mid term.
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Puja Teli
Puja Teli@ThePujaTeli·
Ravan’s fall came at the height of his arrogance. Every story of a downfall comes after a height of arrogance. Each empire falls eventually because of the same story of getting too close to the sun. Being an unhinged superpower won’t go unnoticed in the concept of Time.
Mohan Sinha 🇮🇳@Mohansinha

I don’t understand the widespread outrage among many Indians over America’s indifferent reaction to the killing of three Indian sailors on a foreign ship. The same voices were recently celebrating India’s deliberate low-key welcome and send-off for Marco Rubio. As if “putting him in his place” was some kind of diplomatic victory that would send a strong message to the United States. It did send a message, just not the one we intended. Marco Rubio is not a junior minister from a minor country. He is the United States Secretary of State, the second most powerful figure in the U.S. administration after the President. There are smarter, more effective ways to register displeasure than a public diplomatic snub broadcast for the world to see. Rubio and his colleagues said nothing at the time. They simply waited for the opportune moment. Some Indian “experts” were even urging Prime Minister Modi to skip meeting Rubio altogether. That would have sent an extraordinary signal to the Trump administration. The hard reality is this: unless you are as powerful as the United States or China, you cannot set your own rules and expect others to simply accept them. You might do so in your own backyard, but not on the global stage. Pretending otherwise is living in a fool’s paradise. Chest-thumping works in election rallies, not when dealing with powers far stronger than you. I’m no admirer of American foreign policy. I never have been. At the same time, I cannot help but envy their brazenness: the ability to send Marines into another country, kidnap a president, and walk away with a clear message that says: “Go fuck yourself. We are the United States. Try and stop us.” The fact that nobody has the guts to stop them explains exactly why they behave this way. Diplomacy is not about feelings or optics for domestic consumption. It is about protecting national interests with clarity, dignity, and realism. You play the game with discipline, communicate firmly but preferably privately, and avoid unnecessary public humiliation. Leave the jingoism and chest-thumping to the general public. I can say what I want because I have no skin in the game. Keyboard warriors can rant freely. But policymakers and those who claim to have the government’s ear cannot afford the same luxury. When dealing with the world’s most powerful country, a dose of cold pragmatism is essential. Publicly embarrassing the Secretary of State was always likely to invite a response. If you want to play in the big leagues, you must learn to absorb a few punches without whining, and worrying about the optics because of your vote bank. And if we think tearing down posters of the U.S. President on the back of auto-rickshaws or burning his effigies will actually send a message to “evil America,” then we are no different from our immediate neighbours to the east and west. Wake up and smell the coffee.

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Sreemoy Talukdar@sreemoytalukdar·
Good try, sir. As usual, it is NEVER China's fault when a relationship turns adversarial. It is not China's fault that it deploys coercive tactics in Philippine's EEZ. It is not China's fault that it creeps onto and squats on sovereign territories. The fault lies with others for "confrontation". One tends to agree with some of the points you made, but the solution, for India, is not substituting one subservience for another.
Mao Keji | मुखर्जी@kejimao

To put it bluntly, since 2017, India has chosen the worst of the available paths. By aligning itself with the US, it has obtained almost none of the resources that would strengthen its strategic autonomy and has instead grown more dependent. By confronting China, it has lost manufacturing capital and technology that could once have been acquired effortlessly. Counter-intuitively, these flows of capital and technology—though they appeared to deepen dependence—were in fact the essential foundation for Atmanirbhar Bharat. India now finds itself stranded between the two powers and exposed as collateral damage, as Marco Rubio puts it, in their strategic contest. This has left it vulnerable to American pressure on multiple fronts—tariffs, trade in Russian oil, killings in the Strait of Hormuz, and access to advanced AI models. Washington did all the above with little concern for India’s basic dignity or core interests. The roots of this grand misjudgement lie in India’s long-held belief that the US would always remain dominant and that the safest course was therefore to stand with the strong. That assumption is now being questioned even inside the Trump administration, throwing India’s strategic planning into disarray and leaving it without credible contingency plans. Three uncomfortable realities have become clear: 1) an America gripped by anxiety is unlikely to offer its partners meaningful support; it is rather more inclined to treat partners as expendable assets to be drawn upon when needed. Yes, India is simply seen as the bloodbag. 2) The path dependence created by long-term reliance on American financial systems, software ecosystems and geopolitical arrangements has become a potent instrument of leverage precisely because India has few realistic alternatives. 3) for reasons of elite izzatl and face-saving, Indian policymakers have so far refused to undertake the necessary recognitive rerouting—above all, to seriously contemplate the possibility that China may be prevailing in the broader contest and to adjust its choices accordingly.

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@southofconsensus@southoconsensus·
If we listen to you - India should just shut shop and adopt slavery as a model of living, as this can and is true for so many things right now in the world. This is the mentality that has kept us a slave nation even after independence. Indians who migrated have not escaped the slavery either, even today all of them are slaves of the white masters. Thanks a lot Mr Pai in supporting and developing this model for us. We are so grateful.
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Mohandas Pai@TVMohandasPai·
My friend please go ahead and do this yourself. You are a big guy. Take up your own challenge! You forget 3 years from now what the world will be. You forget the 2tr$ investment the US is making right now, with 1 Tr$ this year. The speed of change, the huge investment is unparalleled anywhere. Try to understand this before you comment. As for us we are investing hugely in AI starts up, have a portfolio of 25 AI first start ups, have seen 1000+ AI startups over last 9 months. Not sitting still passing loose comments like so many loose heads in social media. We are putting our money where our mouth is.
Kit Walker@pegasus191

Open challenge, Sir… We can do it in $2 billion within three years… Please don’t give us US figures…. Photonic chips today give us 10 times better processing at 1/100 the power a H-200 consumes. The foundational model needs talent which can be managed to be brought together… In fact, I expected you to announce a “Pai LLM Prize” of $250 million to the first team which creates a foundational model…. Announce competitions which can assist India take the West denial head on… Create the entropy that will yield benefits which a demographic dividend India could gain from !!!

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Vijay Thirumalai@vijaythirumalai·
Blaming India's leaders like Infy, TCS, Zoho for not building an LLM is the most low IQ /lazy pushback for India not having sovereign LLMs They sent millions of Indians abroad giving us valuable remittances, gave us the confidence that we can build world class service companies & whatever middle class we have is largely because of IT/ ITES companies, basically got us from 0-1 No one in US blames IBM/ Accenture/ Deloitte for not building LLM/ no one in Canada blames Constellation for not building Chatgpt Forget having gratitude, Indian Intellectuals have this unique disease of berating leaders who have delivered - Come on guys we can do better
Mohandas Pai@TVMohandasPai

So says a big big failure and economic refugee @RajivMessage who did nothing useful in tech in his life and now points fingers at others. This failed fellow is now abusing others who built his big industries, created huge jobs.

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