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@deanwball I wonder if China also needs to read the Talmud to advance their AI research
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Some observations on Kimi:
1. It's a very good model! I don't think its performance can be explained away by distillation or anything like that. In agentic coding sessions, it seems pretty much on par with the best public models of Q1 2026. In my fairly limited use, it also seemed very token hungry. It's not obvious to me that this model is actually that cheap to run.
2. I am personally surprised the Chinese state continues to allow the open sourcing of models this good, given potential risks. To be clear, I *myself* might be fine with models presenting this level of marginal risk being open weight, but I am surprised that China is fine with it. I suspect the reason they are is 75% explained by strategic blindness/lack of AGI-pilledness (the CCP is very Yann Lecun-y in its views of AI). The other 25% or so is their lack of compute for customer inference (making China's open-weight strategy an unintended byproduct of US export controls) and the normal Chinese strategy of aggressive exports. For the companies, as opposed to the government, the decision to open source is partially ideological and partially because they are behind, and they know that very few people would pay for sub-frontier models from China.
3. Open-weight models are inherently decelerationist, and I'm continually surprised to see the so-called "accelerationists" so excited about open-weight models. I suspect the reason they are is that they know open-weight models are effectively ungovernable, and they simply like the overall cloak of ungovernability open-weight models create over the whole of AI. It's not a bad strategy; it reminds me of James Scott's recounting of the hill people in "the art of not being governed." Still, in the end, open-weight models deter further AI capex.
4. One probable outcome of an open-weight-model-dominant world is full AI communism, which is precisely what China proposes: rather than a market product, AI is a "public good" which will ultimately be provided by the state as a kind of "digital public infrastructure." This future strikes me as a dystopian hellscape, but I've never met an open-weight models advocate who doesn't ultimately concede this is where things end. You'd be surprised how many 'accelerationists' lobbied me, while I was in government, to support an eleven or twelve-figure federally funded data center so that startups could train models at a subsidy and then give them away for free. There was no other way for AI to progress, they said. Perhaps this is the logical end state of things. Nonetheless, I find myself surprised to see supposed accelerationists excited about such an outcome. I think many of them just don't know what they're doing. Many accelerationists do not view the creation and serving of frontier models as a legitimate business.
5. I would guess that the Trump Administration will at some point realize that their best strategy here would be to create large amounts of regulatory risk around the use of open-weight Chinese models. You don't need to "ban open source" (one of the dumber motifs of AI policy discussion). You just need to direct every agency to issue soft law that creates FUD. "A Federal Reserve Advisory Bulletin found that there may be backdoors in Chinese AI models." It needn't be that well justified. You just create enough regulatory risk that every regulated enterprise backs off. You probably don't want to create so much regulatory risk that you scare off the hyperscalers from serving Chinese models; this will just drive startups to sketchier providers. There's a happy middle ground here. I'd assume they will do some version of this.
6. It's probably true that open-weight models of this capability make the world a bit more dangerous, but not so much more that you'll really notice. At some point the models will be capable enough that you will notice. "A nonliving, invisible, dangerous, and infinitely self-replicating agent escaped from a Chinese lab," you say? Color me shocked.
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@PimDeWitte @NonyaBi10393887 "Not found the model kimi k2 ???? Preview or permission denied"
In the words of Tibo:
I smell fear
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@NonyaBi10393887 Thank you for your advise on cropping, Nonya Bidness 10393887 (definitely not a bot, by the way)
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@trevcare @Polymarket He talks like a corporate letter even among his merry band of thieves
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This with a built-in vape is the next $1T opportunity
Charles Maddock@charles_maddock
voice-to-text has gone too far
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@shncldwll You gotta trust dario and the selected big corporations. They have your best interest at heart. Trust
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china is dropping open source models that are "too dangerous to be made public" and you are laughing?

wh@nrehiew_
Here are a few benchmark scores of K3 that have been officially confirmed This is a Fable/Sol class model that is strictly better than Opus 4.8 across the board at Sonnet pricing. Insane
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@gerardsans @gm_mertd Me: Like a boss
Claude: your monthly limit has reached
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@gm_mertd five minutes later
Gerard Sans | Axiom 🇬🇧@gerardsans
> Claude: Dark mode set. > Me: like a boss
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Kimi K3 is a total freak.
It made a full V8 engine using Blender MCP in just one prompt. Plus some other fun stuff.
Full review youtu.be/bEnE5pbpe_Q

YouTube
⚡AI Search⚡@aisearchio
Open-source AI is no longer "a few months behind" Kimi K3 is ALREADY frontier, matching Claude Fable and GPT 5.6. Full review coming tonight
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@OmedVibeCodes I'm starting to think AI is just one big wealth transfer
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Kimi Code pricing is actually HORRIBLE. Why is nobody talking about this??? 😭
I got rate-limited after around 2 hours and just 4 chats on the $100 plan.
That’s 20% of my entire weekly limit gone in TWO HOURS 💀
And the $200 plan barely gives you more.
Even Fable gives me better limits. This pricing is absolutely cooked.

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@Navykid123 @bright_125 @WatcherGuru What no. In C/C++ You can omit curly braces in condition blocks if it contains a single statement
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@Tanvir_71 @Icebergy Even 3B vibethinker gets it right now. How are these problems still persistent in frontier models
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Everyone's playing with Kimi and Fable
Poor Elon going around door to door like: please bro try grok bro

Elon Musk@elonmusk
@signulll Try Grok
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@Polymarket previously photoshop editors lost their jobs
now video editors will lose their jobs
embrace ai everyone
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@teortaxesTex @zxytim Why wouldn't you
Kimi >>>> DeepSeek
anytime anyday
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No.
We are focused on intelligence frontier right now. Video generation does not bring much intelligence both theoretically and practically.
It is useful though.
WK@zoom_will
@zxytim Do you plan make video generation model? We need open source seedance alternative better than ltx
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Words so true I can hear the screeches from inside the comment section without even entering
Polymarket@Polymarket
JUST IN: Xi Jinping warns unequal access to AI could create “new historical injustices.”
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@bright_125 @WatcherGuru if (true) big();
else {
for (it = 0; it < 1; it++) fell++ ;
}
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