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@ThePrimeagen Explain to me the difference between a $200/ month pro max user on Claude code / cowork vs a $200 pro max user on Openclaw? OpenClaw users that are ACTUALLY building tools, will continue to pay api costs.. who’s subsidizing who now?

i am happy that anthropic is doing what they are doing with subscriptions the real cost of ai is really high and this subsidized life coming to an end more and more is a good thing.

@zeeg @Logocentrik @ejc3 @grok Why don’t you spell it out in USD so I can pull out my ruler and tell you whose is bigger? k? kk?

@theadsplug @Logocentrik @ejc3 @grok ill help you out before I mute you its 10kk (and thats a very old number)

The Anthropic hate is insane. They build a great product, most of you barely pay them anything, and everyone feels like they’re entitled to kick and scream about a big nothingburger.

You’re talking to a total fucking n00b that outside of web chat, had zero insight or previous history in development. I figured out a way to replace 7 apps, 2 VAs, zapier, and simplify my entire DTC business by cutting a 60 hour work week down to 10… Say what you want, but clearly a skill issue, OR your previous knowledge in the field stopped you from pushing the limits

@theadsplug @zeeg @Logocentrik @ejc3 My friend im not a basic user, openclaw is a pain in the ass for a "basic-user" to be able to use it, n8n instead is just 1 click away and just adding configs, too much dependencies plus a ton of configurations just for having something that you can have more control with n8n.

DrRRRrrrrr, I’m going to pay the api fees big dog, I’m also going to invest heavily in Mac Studio pro max’s once the m5 is released. If you have an opus 4.6 local equivalent for orchestration, I’m all ears. My frustration is with the anthropic team, the roll out, and the lack of clarity.

@theadsplug @zeeg @Logocentrik @ejc3 If it’s making you so much money then paying via API should be no worries Run it locally or stfu

@zeeg @Logocentrik @ejc3 @grok If you think 10k/month is “scaling”, you probably also believe that all 3 inches of you is “UGE”

@theadsplug @Logocentrik @ejc3 @grok teach this internet troll math plz ty

@zeeg @Logocentrik @ejc3 You call this scaling? You haven’t even reached product validation yet, should have used openclaw…

@theadsplug @Logocentrik @ejc3 nah, im the guy actually scaling brands

@schizoidcock @zeeg @Logocentrik @ejc3 If you can’t figure out openclaw, there is no chance you’re figuring out connecting n8n in any useful way

@theadsplug @zeeg @Logocentrik @ejc3 Openclawn is not user-noob-friendly either it is even worst to configure, so.

@zeeg @Logocentrik @ejc3 You’re the guy sitting in the corner cuck chair watching my agent show you how to please your precious opus.

@theadsplug @Logocentrik @ejc3 ok random internet guy

@schizoidcock @zeeg @Logocentrik @ejc3 Oh yeah, because n8n is sooooooo user friendly…

@theadsplug @zeeg @Logocentrik @ejc3 There is something called n8n for automatizations buddy, that actually support all the harnesses api and other subs, subs from Claude weren't meant for that.

@steipete @zechdz You gotta stop responding to these morons, you have a million people rooting for you to win, the haters don’t deserve your attention, you have nothing to prove

@zechdz Yeah because I know Gary and have a good feeling what will work best for him. Do you know him personally?

Owner of largest project in existence responds to: > Running CI tests, my laptop is hot with > Shill overpriced apple and suggest tmux We're talking about CI as in CI/CD right?? My brother in LLM, who runs CI jobs regularly out of a Mac? A CLI multiplexer helps this how?

Imagine being a Silicon Valley dev and thinking openclaw was used to build stupid chatbots…. Hard to believe the Claude code dorks never got to harness the power of un restricted Opus 4.6 before it was killed.

@zeeg @Logocentrik @ejc3 You clearly have 0 insight as to what power users were building… it wasn’t chatbot, it was powerhouse automations and workflows. If you never tapped in, you have 0 clue as to the real power of opus 4.6.

@Logocentrik @ejc3 those plans are massively subsidized, and they're not subsidized so people can make fun chatbots

@zeeg We paid the same price on the pro max as all your Claude code dorks…. I’ll continue to pay because openclaw lowered my opex by $10k/month, something a non dev couldn’t achieve with Claude code. Who’s subsidizing who now?

Wah wah wah I can’t use my toy chatbot Pay for it It’s such a huge waste of tokens and compute

@skylar_b_payne @openclaw @jxnlco You came to that conclusion an hour before oauth got banned?

unpopular @openclaw opinion I think gpt-5.4 with the right prompting can actually be better than opus 4.6. get ya pitchforks or join me in the promise land going all in on openai now that they got our boy @jxnlco

@clankercode @thekitze With that logic, all you dork devs on Claude code are also being subsidized… you literally use the same plan..

@thekitze If openclaw provides such value why don’t people use it with extra usage or api? Why should Anthropic subsidize it? I mean I am not a fan of Anthropic’s actions but whole convo here is price negotiation because Anthropic is ok with people using OpenClaw with API/Extra-Usage

what they thought is gonna happen: oh nooo let me switch to your shittier version of openclaw then what happened: alright, canceling my claude subscription

@garotod08345083 @thekitze The real price is a $200 pro max plan… the real asset is openclaw interface, Claude code users are devs overbilling clients for AI slop

@thekitze "Shittier version of openclaw"? That's impossible, the only good thing about all of that is now retards that use openclaw will have to pay the real price.

@bprintco @moritzkremb Sure, but that’s the kind of dumb slop that got oauth banned in the first place. Wasteful spending slowing down power users

@theadsplug @moritzkremb Because I want to

New method to keep using your anthropic sub in openclaw This basically tells your openclaw to use claude code indirectly (through the cli), so it’s allowed

@bprintco @moritzkremb Why are you sending emails with openclaw dude…

@moritzkremb Nah they closed it already. That’s how I was connected. Just cost me $8.50 to send 2 emails

@IanLandsman Get the fuck out of here, openclaw users are disgruntled business owners that were fed up with gatekeeping Silicon Valley fktards who are always over budget, and full of delays

Hot take. Claude is doing the right thing. Give the real customers a better experience (keep infra working well for them) while ditching people having their bots loop over their calendar 100,000 times a day.

18 hour heads up before killing oauth, on a holiday weekend? Drank a case of Celsius and emptied a roll of zyns trying to keep my workflows alive in Claude code. AI’s replacing employees is a given, but now that intelligence is only available to the already cash flow rich businesses that can afford the usage. Building with openclaw cut my openex by $10k/month. Pretty soon my anthropic bill will surpass those savings.

@theadsplug That’s a little aggressive. Boris seems awesome. Anthropic is not perfect but Boris and his team seem great

Boris has spoken