verymuchok

@mailboxdollars @wil_da_beast630 You're the one in the tin foil hat

@verymuchok @wil_da_beast630 You are a moron.

So...the climate change hysteria was like 85% fake, and - after AI, grey-roof tech, modern sea-walls, space travel etc - we're just quietly pulling back from panic? How many births did this prevent?

@megawhelmed @wil_da_beast630 But how do we know what happened before thermometers? Through proxy records: natural systems that respond predictably to climate. These include tree rings, ice cores, corals, sediments, and ancient pollen.

@megawhelmed @wil_da_beast630 Satellites only measure temperature indirectly, and only since 1979. Sure enough, the warming seen by satellites matches the warming already observed by surface thermometers! Knowledge of modern warming does not depend on satellites existing.

@megawhelmed @wil_da_beast630 In a science like paleoclimatology, confidence comes less from direct observation than from multiple independent lines of evidence agreeing. And they do! Physics + observations + proxies + satellites + oceans + ice + ecosystems all tell the same basic story.

@megawhelmed @wil_da_beast630 Paleoclimate reconstructions also successfully predict things later confirmed independently. For example, early reconstructions suggested recent decades were unusually warm compared to at least the last millennium. Since then, tons more proxy data has confirmed that conclusion.

@megawhelmed @wil_da_beast630 As you point out, no single proxy gives conclusive information. So, scientists combine many different proxies from many regions and compare them against the modern instrumental record. And what do you know? Independent proxies tell broadly the same story.

@megawhelmed @wil_da_beast630 Actually, it's not simple at all! But like other well established scientific facts that I don't really know in detail (how DNA encodes whole complex organisms, the contents of the center of the Earth, the age of the universe) I am confident I can look up a satisfactory answer.

@mailboxdollars @wil_da_beast630 Flat Earther.

@verymuchok @wil_da_beast630 Climate change is completely made up. The narrative, as constructed by the progressive left and the technocrats, has no basis in reality.

@JLSumTweets @wil_da_beast630 Oh I'm the one with the burden of proof am I? Ok. What do you need evidence for? That climate change is real or that the world is still working to address it?

@verymuchok @wil_da_beast630 You keep whining that it’s still a thing without any actual evidence to refute what he’s saying. That period ended for you guys. It’s the put up or shut up era of history now.

@megawhelmed @wil_da_beast630 I don't believe you are. You've just read some jaggoff who points to tiny gaps in the research and says "see? Nobody knows anything." By that standard, all paleontology, archeology, and geology are null and void. Paleoclimatology is a robust, lively field. Check it out!

I am familiar with the literature. Explain to me the method through which we know how much of an outlier 1975-2025 is compared to a normal 50 year period. It should be immediately obvious to you that it can't be done, even with all the tree rings and long ice cubes in the world. No method can reliably calculate global temperatures from local ones. Every model fails to hindcast the historical data we know to be true. Don't confuse your ignorance for mine, you condescending bleater.

@GreenCarpetFan @DavidLund6 @wil_da_beast630 I don't believe your so dumb you can't see the obvious retort: Researchers ain't getting rich off grants. Fossil fuels, on the other hand, is the biggest industry in history. Who's got incentives to account for?

@verymuchok @DavidLund6 @wil_da_beast630 You need to step back and realize the people telling you everything is more severe & a crisis have a massive incentive to lie to you. In reality we have a small data set and people enthusiastic to find panic-inducing figures to get more funding, with a blind eye from bureaucrats

@megawhelmed @wil_da_beast630 No, they're not. And you can learn why if you put in the time to become scientifically literate and familiarize yourself with the literature. Man up.

They're all bollocks. We have no way of measuring how much global average temperatures changed between 1800 and 1850 let alone a thousand years ago. How could we? Last year they were saying temperatures were at 100,000 year high. Anyone who doesn't dismiss that as baseless fear mongering discredits themselves.

@ItsCaspius @medi0 @DePropaPanda @wil_da_beast630 @grok First sign of someone who doesn't know shit: they think Al Gore and Greta thundberg are responsible for all climate science.

@medi0 @DePropaPanda @wil_da_beast630 @verymuchok @grok How many of the "actual scientists" predictions from Al Gore's "and inconvenient truth" 2006 documentary came true?

@wil_da_beast630 The real answer to the question is that " climate alarmism" died down when immediate concerns took over the activist energy. Climate change is not solved by any stretch and the efforts are not over.

@verymuchok I listed multiple forms of adaptation to the actual 1% effect in my OP. You, in contrast, are very intelligent.

@DavidLund6 @wil_da_beast630 What? The green technologies that you mention are part of mitigation, so what are you citing them for? Natural disasters and climate pressures are getting more severe. it's a testimony to innovation that we're adapting but that will get more challenging going forward.

Are you suggesting that the costs of these adaptions and mitigations are not far below the projections of those with climate hysteria? We have excess food, new non fossil electricity is less than new fossil electricity, transport is converting to electricity as it is cheaper for a lot of new transport, climate induced catastrophes are going down on a per person seriously harmed and on a per GDP basis, people are generally moving South not North. Climate change is real but the evidence is clear that the sum of the costs of harm, mitigation, and adaption are going down not up. There is a case that the cost of harm and adaption are going down too.

@scandlenjosh @wil_da_beast630 Yet another dumb fuck who thinks the world stops at America's borders.

@verymuchok @wil_da_beast630 There will only tens very soon now that Trump is cutting the funding . And soon we’ll all hear the name Michael Mann and laugh our butts off at the idea that little gremlin was ever taken seriously

@megawhelmed @wil_da_beast630 We have an incredibly good and detailed understanding of natural climate shifts. There are literally thousands of papers published on this every year.

Uh huh. How much has the climate changed since we've had satellite monitoring, and how does that compare to how much the climate changes in a normal 50 year period? We know the first. We have no idea for the second. You might as well project that your puppy will soon be bigger than a horse.