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@mariusheier Turn on GX speed mode and the OP1 is 1.4ms faster 😉

Controller vs mouse input latency duel. OP1 8K v2 vs MH5-Analog. New multi-MCU hardware tester (BETA).

giving the op18k another chance, I've barely used it since I bought it. In my opinion this mouse is perfect at everything it sets out to be, but this shape is so... 💔

@IKARIvlrt @nkkomata @Matty_OW It's not faster. We just did some testing today. On the most sensitive setting 1 it's still 0.1 to 0.5ms, avg ~0.2ms slower than OP1 8k with GX speed enabled. 1 is pretty much unusable with the superstrike. On 3 the OP1 8k is about 3ms faster.

@nkkomata @Matty_OW It’s faster than op18k because Wireless isnt that much of a diffrence than the time travel of a mouse button

First impressions on Superstrike: Having button activation delay be much lower definitely poses to be a significant advantage in TacFPS games where it may often be that whoever fires the first shot wins. In other situations, though, I am feeling kind of neutral about it.

@susuFPS 4 of those or 1 boomslang. Your choice.

$333 on an op1 8k...

@PhalangesCo Well

jimbo approvd

@AimerLew @sztlolka @endgamegear

@wemax @sztlolka @endgamegear How it feels negotiating this...

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@AimerLew @sztlolka @endgamegear Nah that was one my favorite ones

@sztlolka @endgamegear I might still be black listed because of my first review...youtube.com/shorts/whRaMRK…

@boardzyxd Only in the NDA section 🙃

Is there anything interesting at CES this year for the peripheral scene?

@review_wolves Well

i mean... i guess .... i could???

@bardozVAL @A_R_E_S_Aim Yes, the decrease in latency is insane. If you look at the techpowerup measurements, our advantage to the 2nd fastest measured mouse is more than the 2nd has to the 16th or 17th. But also took a lot of work and fine tuning to make it fast but also reliable

I was curious about this so I tried on that old za12 which I probably played 2000hrs on and it seems that in purely mechanical terms it's reliable, couldn't get it to misfire when using the COM+NC pins, but obviously this is n=1 and I only clicked like 2 digit times before I got bored - I am sure that to make it into a real product you need to make sure that the top contact is reliable. To be clear I am a huge fan of what you did, based on my testing it's the largest individual meaningful change in terms of e2e latency I have measured across tens of mice at this point, literally brings the op18k v2 8khz at sub 1ms end to end click to photon (using "start of trial" as the sound made by the switch actuating on the way down, which I think could be fair as a starting point as I'd imagine the user's brain also registers that as the "click"), which is EXCEPTIONAL. The closest are some optical switch implementations from other mice I have that are at ~1.9ms (on a custom DX11 app running at 7k fps, on a 540hz monitor, measured with a photodiode and verified with an industrial high fps global shutter camera). I just think that a lot of people now think SPDT == your implementation, and they seem confused hah. But again I think what you guys did is beautifully simple and elegant and actually impacts click latency way more than other marketing gimmicks.

why don't more mouse companies that use SPDT mechanical switches implement the "actuate on NC becoming open" (which is what Endgame Gear calls "GX Speed") instead of only implementing "actuate on NO becoming closed"? it takes ~0.8ms for the tiny metal leaf to go from NC to NO, it's actually a sizable percentage of the total click latency ofc I imagine it has a muuuch higher risk of false positives especially as the switch ages, but at least the user can decide to use it?

@PhalangesCo But yes, as of right now we have exclusivity for the Kailh GX

@wemax oh my god what an insightful reply! thank you. i know contact degradation is a thing (arcing) but figured it was insignificant with such low current/voltage (dumb mech engineer) With bleeding edge tech, the devil's in the details Does EGG/Kailh have exclusivity or a patent?

BIBLE THUMP MOMENT Would love @wemax to chime in Did older Logitech G stuff (g502, g400 etc) use the NC pin? Because they all were soldered, but had infamous double click issues

@PhalangesCo It's quite interesting if you check the signal at the top contact, slightest movements of the mouse can cause the signal to drop which the mouse would detect as a click. So it's pretty important to have a good and stable signal. Kailh GX has a huge top contact, BSPD in comparison

@youareanoname @bardozVAL This mostly comes down to click tension. There is probably slightly too much pre-tension on the switch which will cause clicks to not be registered. On OP1 you just loosen the screws below that button a fraction. On XM2 you will have to adjust the screws below the front skate

@bardozVAL when the gx speed mode is on, sometimes the clicks dont register

@bardozVAL @A_R_E_S_Aim All mouse microswitches are technically SPDT switches but only a very limited amount are true SPDT switches with a proper top contact (single pole double throw) Something like GX Speed won't work on a Huano BSPD reliably.

I really think endgamegear confused people a lot... SPDT switches have been used in mice since forever, my ZA12 from 9ys ago already had huano SPDT's, and in this specific case you can see since it's see through that it's SPDT (and also by the fact it has three pins!) The only thing EGG did is that instead of the common way of using this electrical component, aka "ON == NO is closed", they allow you to define "ON == NC is open". SPDT is NOT a new concept, it's a suuuuuuper basic switch type

@PhalangesCo But to answer your question, no, I don't think anybody has ever used the NC pin to detect a click actuation, only some have used it for SR latch debounce (which is basically what GX safe mode does).

@PhalangesCo GX Speed mode will work with non real SPDT switches for a while but it definitely won't be reliable cause the contact area is tiny and once there is some corrosion or wear, clicks won't get registered anymore or clicks will get detected without clicking.

@jakeufps Also on sale for Black Friday on our website. I think 59€ for most countries in the EU

The OP1 8k is legit the best affordable mouse you can buy right now in Switzerland