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@ClearReason He is an old Israelites, who are the closest to old Israelites genetically? Palestinians more than Jews
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Ted S@ClearReason·
You cannot claim Jesus and hate the people He came from.
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@realajedelman - Israel drags the US to unnecessary war - They are the best ally because they helped rescue someome who would have been home if not for Israel 😂🫵
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AJ Edelman, MBA OLY@realajedelman·
Hate Israel all you want but one thing is absolutely, abundantly clear after the rescue of the American pilots and as this war has proceeded: No other ally in the world today actively assists the US as Israel does. They are the truest ally in every sense of the word. NATO won't even let the US fly through their airspace. Israel? They'll put their own pilots in the line of fire to rescue an American. That's allyship.
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@Iraninous You also assume all of the Sahaba who have been following the prophet since the beginning somehow didn't get that and nominated Abu Bakr? Or you think the Sahaba suddenly turned bad after the prophet passing? If so, did the prophet lack foresight to see them as bad before dying?
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The Mirza Khan 🇮🇷
I thought I explicitly explained the concept of designation and the succession in the Imamate which even the Quran lays out so I'm not sure why you bring up "millions of descendants" It's like Queen Victoria has hundreds of living descendants today but only Charles sits on the British throne. The verses and hadith aren't weak they are literal principles read them as they are it's you who for example makes vague interpretation of them such as denying what happened in Ghadir and thinking the Prophet stopped 100,000 people to declare Ali, his close relative, was merely his friend.
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@Iraninous That's why Allah mentions Shirk in the quran a lot and want us to not do it, that's why he mentions Salat, Zakat, Hajj. You assume Allah want us to follow your imam yet mentioned 'Abraham descendents' which are potentially millions, it's far fetched
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@Iraninous All the proofs you mentioned are very weak, they strong if someone invest too much in one interpretation. If you look at it objectively without bias, it doesn't necessarily translate to what you believe. Something of such importance should be mentioned more explicitly
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@DaKalen123 @asiwqju @MateuszIwan8 @nosoup4knowles So if someone from Saudi go to a village in Africa and teach them about the religion, culture...etc. After tens of years, they start to think they are Arabs and share similar cluture as Saudis, by then they automatically have the right to claim Saudi as theirs
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Kalen@DaKalen123·
@xodoxy @asiwqju @MateuszIwan8 @nosoup4knowles Pakistanis and Indonesians don't call themselves Saudi Arabians, and claim no historical relevance to them. And religion isn't the only factor, true. But culture, tradition, identity, and language play a big part in it. Which modern Israelis still practice, unlike Palestinians.
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
Truth Seeker@xodoxy

There were converts. In fact, the definition of being Jewish was fundamentally changed. For the most of the biblical period, Jewish identity and tribal affiliation were determined by the father. Famous biblical figures like Joseph, Moses, and King Solomon married non-Israelite women, yet their children were considered part of the Israelite community without question. Tribal identity, land inheritance, and the priesthood (Kohanim and Levites) were all passed from father to son. This is what the Torah says and the prophets followed, but after more than a thousand years, rabbies changed the way of god and prophets and made it matrilineal, and now suddenly anyone born to a Jewish mother is now Jewish, and people born to a Jewish father are more questionable, not because god said so or prophets followed that. Also, according to the Jewish law (Halakha), once you are born a Jew, you are always a Jew even if you stopped practicing or changed religion, but again, rabbies changed that so that Palestinians or descendents of Israelites are excluded but an athiest Jew who descends from a convert and aligns with Zionisim is somehow still a Jew. DNA also gives us insights about how reliable 'Jewishness' is. For example, self identified Cohens (who are still only patrilineal unlike other Jews) can easily be verified using Y-DNA, and guess what? At the best case scenario, only 50% of them actually descend from the same father, the other 50% are from different fathers that don't even connect before 20,000 years. Also, you have a lot of ethiopian Jews who definitely don't descend from old Israelites and yet they are considered Jewish. So, 'Jewishness' was greatly altered, is not standarized, is also against the Torah, but for some reason everyone should follow what you specifically identify as Jewish even if it goes against your own Torah or DNA, this is not god chosen people following a covenant, this a mess we have to believe to justify your occupation

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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@DaKalen123 @g_leon12 @xfuera37 @nosoup4knowles Israel of the bible had prophets who were indigenous to the land, shared the same Y-DNA as sons of Israel. Israel of today came from all over the world because they practiced Judaism, checking their Y-DNA proves they descend from all kinds of people, not one person
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@DaKalen123 @asiwqju @MateuszIwan8 @nosoup4knowles Palestinians remained in the land (they didn't go anywhere else, unlike current Israeli Jews), they have more DNA, practicing a religion doesn't make you indigenous, Pakistanis, Indonesians are practicing Muslims, do you believe they are indigenous to Saudi Arabia?
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Kalen
Kalen@DaKalen123·
@xodoxy @asiwqju @MateuszIwan8 @nosoup4knowles You didn't answer my question. Because, "simply" people change their religion over time is not an answer, it's an excuse. The Israelites were practicing Judaism, and modern-day Israelis also practice Judaism. To me, it shows a much more clear historical relevance than the other.
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@DaKalen123 @asiwqju @MateuszIwan8 @nosoup4knowles If Europeans are genetically closer to ancient Europeans, how come they practice Christianity and not Paganism like ancient Europe did? Pagans anywhere in the world must be the true descendents of ancient Europeans even though they didn't live in Europe for hundreds of years
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@Iraninous Ok but what made you believe in this designation? Assuming Ali should have been the successor, and we should follow his designations until now, how come this is not explicitly mentioned in Quran or Sunnah? Could it be because it's actually not true?
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The Mirza Khan 🇮🇷
Do you understand the concept of appointment / designation? Because there is a chain of appointments in that lineage. Because of what we call giving ‘Nass’. You could be descendant of some King but you are not in the succession line nor are you the designated Heir unless the King designates you. What we have with our Imam is that chain from Imam Ali who appointed the next Imam and that Imam appointed the one after him.
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@Iraninous How come blessing Abraham and his descendents automatically translate to this guy being the Imam you should follow?! What kind of far-fetched proof is that? I am a descendent of Abraham myself, why not follow me instead?
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The Mirza Khan 🇮🇷
It is if you read the Quran Allah blessed Abraham and his progeny to lead as Imams of their community and also Allah blesses Ahl al bayt similarly in the Quran. What backs this is the claim Imam Ali and his progeny made as well. I don’t believe they to be deceitful liars and I take from the Quran too.
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@KimMarieMariano @MateuszIwan8 @nosoup4knowles Also, if Arabs did that to them then they are the victims who should have your sympathy no? But you turn that to them being the Arabs to excuse your occupation, you are evil who built his whole identity around lies, and sooner or later it will all fall apart
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@KimMarieMariano @MateuszIwan8 @nosoup4knowles Again, if I call myself Jesus, will I be Jesus? Calling themselves Arabs because they were speaking Arabic since hundreds of years doesn't change the fact they are descendents of old Israelites more than most other Jews
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@asiwqju @MateuszIwan8 @nosoup4knowles Yeah? How so smart guy? Palestinians are genetically closer to old Israelites than Jews so if we had to pick who represent old Israelite then it would be them who stayed in the same land + has more DNA continuity
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@MateuszIwan8 @nosoup4knowles It's all stupid arguments. People can be named different things across centuries, having different name doesn't make them turn into something else, they are the same people who got their name changed. Palestinians are the same old Israelites, they are genetically closer
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Mateusz Iwan
Mateusz Iwan@MateuszIwan8·
@xodoxy @nosoup4knowles Still, how could Jesus have been Palestinian before even the term Palestine existed? It's like calling yourself an Aztec because you were born in Central Mexico
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Truth Seeker@xodoxy·
@xfuera37 @nosoup4knowles If you won't worship me if I name myself Jesus because you realize I am not the same Jesus in the bible, you should't assume a country naming itself Israel in 1948 is the same ancient Israel in the bible, it's the same logic
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