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@Ieandoer01 @snoopluvbot You can ethically buy anything that someone is willing to sell to you in the absence of coercion. And much of causal dating can ultimately be distilled to "buying consent"
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gabe 🐻‍❄️⛑️
@snoopluvbot exactly!!!?????? you cant buy consent😭 im getting so surprised by this discussion, i thought this was somewhat universally known???
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I would bet good money that White people have by far the highest in-group affinity by this standard even after you account for their greater population size
Bernard Stanford ✡︎@stanfordNYC

@animalologist Obviously that's bad, but is it not conspicuous that this seems to be a friend group with very high racial in-group affinity bragging about how they're better than other people? idk

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See the reason my article is titled “Dogs aren’t people” is precisely because I believe a lot of errors in dog policy stem precisely from confusing issues related to human children and issues related to non-human canines. slowboring.com/p/dogs-arent-p…
unsanctioned_poutine@bnjmnlilly

@mattyglesias I feel the same way about people bringing their babies and toddlers to restaurants. Get a sitter like everyone used to do or stay home.

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@DerekPederson3 Anyone saying that this guy is an Islamist is worthy of being blocked, yes
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@David97768248 @HeTows I am actually sympathetic to that, but there are ways to address this in a Palestinian state that have worked at establishing peace with other states Israel warred with. In fact, it's arguably the *only* thing that's worked x.com/yapper_pundit/…
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@HeTows It was dumb of George W Bush to push for elections in Gaza after the 2005 withdrawal. The US and Israel should have helped install a Palestinian Sisi/Abdullah, and things would probably have worked out better.

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@yapper_pundit @HeTows Palestinians developed an entire national identity based on undoing the State of Israel. Israelis fear, not without reason, that a Palestinian state would be a threat to their physical security. If the Palestinians agreed to stop after a state in the WB and Gaza it would be fine.
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Rafi DeMogge רפי דמוג
My question is to all Western moderates who support the two-state solution. You're welcome to comment and explain your position.
Rafi DeMogge רפי דמוג@HeTows

I'll bite. Let me focus on one bit in your writing, because it's crucial for understanding the dynamic between Israel and moderate Democrats like yourself. Suppose a two-state solution is implemented. It's all signed, borders agreed, Jerusalem is divided, euphoria, we're partying like it's the '90s. There's peace. Three years later, there is a mega-attack, several times the scale of Oct 7. Thousands dead. Perhaps it's the PA government, which was never honest about peace. More likely, it's after a Hamas-led coup. Or perhaps it's by a rogue Hamas cell that the PA government could nver fully reign in (Hamas operates in the Jenin area and defies state sovereignty much as Hezbollah does today in South Lebanon). Either way, thousands are dead, the scenes even more apocapyptic than on Oct 7. The Israeli government declares war on the State of Palestine. They also announce: "We agreed to Palestinian statehood on the assumption that it's the price of peace, but there is no peace; our citizens have been massacred. Therefore, the peace agreement is null and void. We derecognize the State of Palestine and will reoccupy its territory". Question: what will you do? What will be your reaction? Will you say: "That's totally fair, I was wrong"? Or will you call for deescalation, urge Israel to give a proportional response, explain that it wasn't Palestine, it was Hamas, and demand that Israel sit down with the Palestinians to find a diplomatic solution (*another* diplomatic solution, this time *really*!) to avoid a *third* Oct 7-like event? For Israelis contemplating the wisdom of placating the moderate wing of the Democrats by agreeing to a two-state solution, it is absolutely crucial to know what moderate Democrats like you would do in such a scenario. Please reflect on the question, and please be honest with me and especially with yourself.

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@HeTows I am also going to let you in on something that should be extremely obvious but is bizarrely a bit of an unspoken secret. A major reason Westerners are so committed to a Palestinian state is that it is necessary to counteract the retardation of Zionism. Let me explain

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Why is it assumed that a Palestinian state is some sort of moral duty, that everyone must agree to accomplish? What makes them better than the Kurds, or Catalans, or Hmong - all of whom are considerably less dysfunctional and genocidal?
Matthew Yglesias@mattyglesias

@MaxNordau Articulate a political endgame for Palestinians that is neither ethnic cleansing nor perpetual statelessness.

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@wil_da_beast630 "black people from stable POC powers like Nigeria slightly out-pace whites" This does not appear to be true. I very much see why @cremieuxrecueil gets annoyed with you
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@Shimshon_Tzioni @HeTows Wanting statehood on a specific piece of land because of ancient religious/cultural connections is irredentism. I really don't blame any individual Jewish person for wanting that and may have felt the same if I were Jewish, but what you're describing is definitionally irredentist
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Shimshon@Shimshon_Tzioni·
@yapper_pundit @HeTows And there’s no other piece of land where that’s even conceivable for Jews except the homeland our people come from that we’ve maintained ties to and prayed to return to all throughout the exile
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@David97768248 @HeTows I think the fact that you're comparing the blockade of Gaza, one of most impoverished places on Earth, to that of a powerful industrialized empire that the US was fighting a world war against shows that it was at least stringent enough that Gaza wasn't de facto independent
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@yapper_pundit @HeTows Entry and exit into Gaza was far less hard than it was into Japan in 1944, which was fully independent and under a far harsher US blockade.
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@David97768248 @HeTows They didn't have official control over the Gaza-Egypt border. They did have direct and explicit control over the "de facto independent" Gaza's population registry and the ability to issue or revoke documents that Egypt required in the first place
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@yapper_pundit @HeTows Before this war Israel had no control over the Gaza-Egypt border. Egypt determined entry and there were plenty of Palestinians who went in and out through Egypt.
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@David97768248 @HeTows They chose to go to the land where the "opposing national group" had been the majority for centuries, which makes their demands inherently less reasonable. That disparity being a major reason behind insistence on Palestinian statehood is the only point I am making
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@yapper_pundit @HeTows And likewise any group in the Jews' position would have reacted to demands that they submit to the rule of an opposing national group in the way they did. Even if the Arabs had reasons to feel the way they did the Jews understandly did what they did. But that's besides the point.
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@David97768248 @HeTows Is it your contention that a resident of the "de facto independent state" of Gaza who wanted to travel to Egypt to see the pyramids could do so without needing any Israeli permission?
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@yapper_pundit @HeTows The ones in Gaza are already citizens of a de facto state for all intents and purposes. Gaza basically became an independent state in all but name after Israel left. Aside from that an idea solution would have been Egypt keeping Gaza and Israel and Jordan splitting the West Bank.
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@David97768248 @HeTows Everyone retrospectively sees they probably screwed themselves, but hindsight is 20/20. Jewish nationhood in Palestine in 1948 isn't exogenous to judgments of Palestinians when the entire point is that the claim to that nationhood was silly. Any group would have reacted similarly
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@yapper_pundit @HeTows The Palestinians screwed themselves by fighting in 1948. The Jews in Palestine at that time were already their own nation and naturally fought for self-determination. They screwed themselves again by not accepting the fait accompli. To most of them a 2SS is just the first step.
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@David97768248 @HeTows Whether it's their moral fault depends on if it was reasonable not to accept Australia, which in turn is based on if Australia's land claim is reasonable. The Zionist claim was uniquely silly, and Palestinian rejection of it doesn't make them undeserving of Levant citizenship
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@yapper_pundit @HeTows If Aboriginals were in that position because they built an entire national identity on never accepting the formation of Australia and endlessly trying to undo it then it would be their own fault.
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@Molly85224872 @HeTows I support a return to 1967 borders and not going back on the existence of Israel. I'm saying that the stupidity of the Zionist claim to the land is a reason why most people insist on Palestinians having citizenship in the Levant even if alongside Israel x.com/yapper_pundit/…
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@HeTows I agree that undoing Israel today would also be irredentism, which is why I support a 2SS despite Zionism being irredentist

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This isn’t true. Most Westerners accept that, whether it was a mistake or not, the Zionist project was approved by the “international community”, UNGA 181 happened, Israel did manage to set itself up and get admitted to the UN, and going back on that would be unreasonable (and deleterious to “the rules-based order”). It’s the expansionist bit we have a problem with, if they would commit to going back to the pre-1967 borders everything would be different.
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@FafafaFella @HeTows Well, I would need use it and every other slur in the book 50x more often to have any chance of being uniquely abrasive on this site. But you're right that I could have easily made the same point without using it, and it was indictably rude of me. Won't happen again
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@shanisteinberg2 @HeTows In addition to the obvious point below, it also bears repeating that Anglo claims to Canada, etc were not irredentist, which is the point I was making about Zionism. Anglo claims were the result of conquests that were advertised as such. x.com/yapper_pundit/…
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@HeTows If Australianism resulted in aboriginals being occupied and stateless in 2026 rather than having equal Australian citizenship, then people would ofc support the creation of an aboriginal state (2SS) or equal citizenship for all (1SS) to counter the retardation of Australianism

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@HeTows And look, I totally get why this is a bit difficult to hear, but the "it belongs to us because it did 2000 years ago" thing is unique to Zionism and just sounds extremely silly to every goy. The conquest of Australia was advertised as such and was not irredentist
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@HeTows If Australianism resulted in aboriginals being occupied and stateless in 2026 rather than having equal Australian citizenship, then people would ofc support the creation of an aboriginal state (2SS) or equal citizenship for all (1SS) to counter the retardation of Australianism
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@HeTows A child born in the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT) does not have citizenship because there currently is no State of Palestine, and the OPTs are under Israeli occupation. Most Westerners (like me) support converting the OPT into a Palestinian State alongside Israel
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Rafi DeMogge רפי דמוג
Again, you got mixed up. The reason a NYC-born Jew is entitled to citizenship and a child born in Gaza doesn't is that Israel is a sovereign state and gets to determine its own citizenship laws. "Return" laws of this sort aren't unique to Israel, several European countries have them too.
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