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Justin Drake@drakefjustin

Today is a monumentous day for quantum computing and cryptography. Two breakthrough papers just landed (links in next tweet). Both papers improve Shor's algorithm, infamous for cracking RSA and elliptic curve cryptography. The two results compound, optimising separate layers of the quantum stack. The results are shocking. I expect a narrative shift and a further R&D boost toward post-quantum cryptography. The first paper is by Google Quantum AI. They tackle the (logical) Shor algorithm, tailoring it to crack Bitcoin and Ethereum signatures. The algorithm runs on ~1K logical qubits for the 256-bit elliptic curve secp256k1. Due to the low circuit depth, a fast superconducting computer would recover private keys in minutes. I'm grateful to have joined as a late paper co-author, in large part for the chance to interact with experts and the alpha gleaned from internal discussions. The second paper is by a stealthy startup called Oratomic, with ex-Google and prominent Caltech faculty. Their starting point is Google's improvements to the logical quantum circuit. They then apply improvements at the physical layer, with tricks specific to neutral atom quantum computers. The result estimates that 26,000 atomic qubits are sufficient to break 256-bit elliptic curve signatures. This would be roughly a 40x improvement in physical qubit count over previous state-of-the-art. On the flip side, a single Shor run would take ~10 days due to the relatively slow speed of neutral atoms. Below are my key takeaways. As a disclaimer, I am not a quantum expert. Time is needed for the results to be properly vetted. Based on my interactions with the team, I have faith the Google Quantum AI results are conservative. The Oratomic paper is much harder for me to assess, especially because of the use of more exotic qLDPC codes. I will take it with a grain of salt until the dust settles. → q-day: My confidence in q-day by 2032 has shot up significantly. IMO there's at least a 10% chance that by 2032 a quantum computer recovers a secp256k1 ECDSA private key from an exposed public key. While a cryptographically-relevant quantum computer (CRQC) before 2030 still feels unlikely, now is undoubtedly the time to start preparing. → censorship: The Google paper uses a zero-knowledge (ZK) proof to demonstrate the algorithm's existence without leaking actual optimisations. From now on, assume state-of-the-art algorithms will be censored. There may be self-censorship for moral or commercial reasons, or because of government pressure. A blackout in academic publications would be a tell-tale sign. → cracking time: A superconducting quantum computer, the type Google is building, could crack keys in minutes. This is because the optimised quantum circuit is just 100M Toffoli gates, which is surprisingly shallow. (Toffoli gates are hard because they require production of so-called "magic states".) Toffoli gates would consume ~10 microseconds on a superconducting platform, totalling ~1,000 sec of Shor runtime. → latency optimisations: Two latency optimisations bring key cracking time to single-digit minutes. The first parallelises computation across quantum devices. The second involves feeding the pubkey to the quantum computer mid-flight, after a generic setup phase. → fast- and slow-clock: At first approximation there are two families of quantum computers. The fast-clock flavour, which includes superconducting and photonic architectures, runs at roughly 100 kHz. The slow-clock flavour, which includes trapped ion and neutral atom architectures, runs roughly 1,000x slower (~100 Hz, or ~1 week to crack a single key). → qubit count: The size-optimised variant of the algorithm runs on 1,200 logical qubits. On a superconducting computer with surface code error correction that's roughly 500K physical qubits, a 400:1 physical-to-logical ratio. The surface code is conservative, assuming only four-way nearest-neighbour grid connectivity. It was demonstrated last year by Google on a real quantum computer. → future gains: Low-hanging fruit is still being picked, with at least one of the Google optimisations resulting from a surprisingly simple observation. Interestingly, AI was not (yet!) tasked to find optimisations. This was also the first time authors such as Craig Gidney attacked elliptic curves (as opposed to RSA). Shor logical qubit count could plausibly go under 1K soonish. → error correction: The physical-to-logical ratio for superconducting computers could go under 100:1. For superconducting computers that would be mean ~100K physical qubits for a CRQC, two orders of magnitude away from state of the art. Neutral atoms quantum computers are amenable to error correcting codes other than the surface code. While much slower to run, they can bring down the physical to logical qubit ratio closer to 10:1. → Bitcoin PoW: Commercially-viable Bitcoin PoW via Grover's algorithm is not happening any time soon. We're talking decades, possibly centuries away. This observation should help focus the discussion on ECDSA and Schnorr. (Side note: as unofficial Bitcoin security researcher, I still believe Bitcoin PoW is cooked due to the dwindling security budget.) → team quality: The folks at Google Quantum AI are the real deal. Craig Gidney (@CraigGidney) is arguably the world's top quantum circuit optimisooor. Just last year he squeezed 10x out of Shor for RSA, bringing the physical qubit count down from 10M to 1M. Special thanks to the Google team for patiently answering all my newb questions with detailed, fact-based answers. I was expecting some hype, but found none.

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micc@yo_micc·
@TySargeX @cryptomanran Except a lot of companies already have post quantum cryptography applied like ML-KEM. So no, all doesn't go.
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Ran Neuner
Ran Neuner@cryptomanran·
Google's new quantum computer could kill crypto by 2029. This is coming from Google itself, not a fringe prediction. They've already updated their internal deadline after a breakthrough that made cracking crypto encryption 20x more efficient than previously thought. I'll be live with @Mysten_Labs co-founder and chief cryptographer @kostascrypto to break down what this actually means for your bags. LIVE in 90 MINUTES. [link in comments]
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micc@yo_micc·
@chainlink Does linking accrue any value to $LINK token?
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Tomorrow: 🔗 x 🪙
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Based Hungary 🇭🇺@HungaryBased·
🚨SHOCKING: 🇩🇪 Germany is Waking Up! Alice Weidel ERUPTS and Calls for the Abolishment of the European Union. "The EU must be abolished and the EU bureaucrats kicked out."
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TRUMP: I THINK PUTIN MAY BE HELPING IRAN A BIT
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Alexandre 🇺🇦@Toriadus·
Trump’s new slogan: Make the Russian economy great again.
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Arthur
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Remember Trump told Zelensky in early 2025 that Ukraine had no cards and should agree to humiliating ceasefire conditions? Who has no cards now? 4th year of Russia - Ukraine war with no material territorial win by Russia since those words were uttered out beside more civilians killed by Russia's missile.
zerohedge@zerohedge

*SAUDI ARAMCO IN TALKS TO BUY UKRAINIAN DRONES: WSJ

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micc@yo_micc·
@DaviddDotTech does cocksucking face expression really boost views?
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micc@yo_micc·
@useKled invite code ples
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Kled AI
Kled AI@useKled·
Today, we’re announcing our $5.5M Seed round to build the first human data marketplace. Backed by Sebastian Thrun (Founder of Waymo), Aglaé (Venture Fund of Bernard Arnault), K5 Global, Diplo, Parable VC, Cox Exponential (CX2), Daniel Greenberg (Founder of MSCHF), Harrison Shih (DoorDash Labs), Kent Lacob (Owner of Golden State Warriors), and more. This brings our total financing to $9 million. (Thread)
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The ₿itcoin Therapist@TheBTCTherapist·
“Tell them the war will last 4 days.” “Now tell them 5 weeks.” “Good, now say at least until September.” “Great, now say it’s very complete.” “Now tell them it’s also just beginning.”
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@toly ONLY UA.
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Melian Refugee
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why is it socially unacceptable to recognize that the only solution to this is Beatings?
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Vitalik spotted in a club after selling 3,788.57 ETH for $7.3M
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@SuhailKakar does this improve speed in any way?
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Suhail Kakar@SuhailKakar·
introducing polymarket cli - the fastest way for ai agents to access prediction markets built with rust. your agent can query markets, place trades, and pull data - all from the terminal fast, lightweight, no overhead
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we still need an algorithmic stablecoin btw
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@0xrwu at least a VM
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Richard Wu
Richard Wu@0xrwu·
What’s the best sandboxing strat for Claude Code so I can sleep at night when I run dangerously-skip-perms? The /sandbox doesn’t work half the time (gpg issues, or not being able to access Convex creds).
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Peter Schiff
Peter Schiff@PeterSchiff·
@AdameMedia He was clearly lying if he put his money on the opposite side of the trade. He is likely lying about his relationship with Epstein too.
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Howard Lutnick went on TV to reassure the public that the Supreme Court would rule in favour of tariffs “These justices are gonna come down in favour.” Then his family went out and quietly bought up all the tariff refund rights for pennies. Disgusting fraud.
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🚨 UPDATE: The odds of the Clarity Act being signed into law in 2026 spiked to 90% on Polymarket today before retreating to 70%.
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