@appletimtri @Enrrgie @teslaxander Da hast du Recht. Ich würde aber eine Rückzahlung nicht annehmen. Aber die Schuld am FSD Problem in Europa liegt nicht alleine an Tesla.
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Herbert Grünblatt
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Herbert Grünblatt
@arangoool
parttime vegan - @borussia - @dodgers - @warriors - @goldenknights
Присоединился Ocak 2024
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@Enrrgie @teslaxander The fact that HW3 users paid for and were promised FSD ages ago, have never received it, and also haven’t seen any cent of their money back, is the opposite of “progress” to me.
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Während der CarPlay Nutzung fällt besonders deutlich auf, dass der trapezförmige Bildschirm im BMW iX3 neue Klasse eine alberne Fehlkonstruktion ist.
20%-39% bleiben permanent ungenutzt. Klares Designfail.
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@appletimtri @teslaxander Wieviele Software Updates hat dein Auto in letzter Zeit erhalten?
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@teslaxander Im Gegensatz zu Windows3.1 wird CarPlay ständig weiterentwickelt, egal wie alt die Karre ist. Aber das passt ja nicht in Teslas Philosophie, wo Autos wie Handys behandelt werden, damit man sich als Außenseiter fühlt, wenn man nicht das neueste Modell hat. Siehe HW3 FSD-Thematik…
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@alex_avoigt What I don’t get: I once had a Golf, I loved the interior. Why they don’t put that interior in an electric car. Why needs all these electric cars to be that ugly. I now drive a Tesla
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@HorzaGobuchuI @alex_avoigt Tesla charges a monthly subscription for the privilege of using you car
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@TeslaXplored Model Y 2022 paid FSD and still we got nothing.
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Most voted question IS FAIR to ask! If you bought FSD in 2021 for $10K and Elon promising HW3 would get full unsupervised. Here we are in 2026 and HW3 owners are still waiting for the upgrade path Tesla “owes them.” They are rightly frustrated and tired of this? $tsla
Sawyer Merritt@SawyerMerritt
The #1 voted for question so far for Tesla's Q1 earnings call next week:
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@e1nk0rn @shortword No, not me. And I think, there is a big chance to win the lawsuit here in Europe against Tesla.
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@shortword Would be easier to offer price reduction on a new Tesla, I think most would go for it
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Hot $tsla HW3 take…
- retrofitting HW4 cars won’t hit Tesla’s bottom line as they haven’t recognised all the revenue from FSD YET.
- it would be a cash burden, but not billions of dollars. It’ll be done over a number of quarters most likely
- if anyone thinks that Tesla can’t figure out a way out to retrofit these cars, they’ve done this before.
- they engineer these cars from scratch, their boffins can figure it out
- FSD V14 lite won’t be approved in Europe so waiting for that is a fools errand
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@another07047584 @shortword I won’t except a simple refund. I bought the Tesla because of the FSD promise and directly paid for it.
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@shortword or they will just refund those owners, might be cheaper/less hassle.
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@arangoool why would they approve AI4 but not AI3? They have said it increases road safety.
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All you need is a software update to V14 lite
Tobi Mülhauser 🍕@iamtobi
We need a retrofit to upgrade from HW3 to HW4 🙏🏻
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@iamtobi Yeah, sell your HW3 vehicle and buy a HW4, that easy
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@mouhkay88 @millo197 @GamerBr0ski Und genau diese Ansicht ist komplett falsch. Entweder es ist Gelb oder nicht.
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@millo197 @GamerBr0ski Bin wirklich fest davon überzeugt, dass er keine gelbe Karte gegeben hätte, wenn er direkt auf dem Schirm hätte, dass Camavinga schon gelb hat.
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@Sky_Marlon89 @GamerBr0ski Beim BxB hat meine eine seltsame Auffassung von Regeln 🤷♂️
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@GamerBr0ski Ja. Aber der Ref gibt ihm niemals gelb rot, wenn er gewusst hätte, dass der Spieler schon gelb hatte. That’s the Point.
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Verdientes Weiterkommen für Real Madrid
Vlt hänge ich, aber die rote geht für mich auch vollkommen in Ordnung
Wer bereits gelb hat muss den Fehler bei sich selber suchen und nicht beim Ref mmn
Einfach dumm
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@SawyerMerritt The question is, how will HW3 reach supervised 🤷♂️
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@B04Tino @Laisito18 @Sky_Marlon89 Zeig mir mal die Stelle in den Regeln, wo dieses Fingerspitzengefühl beschrieben wird?
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Also dass #Camavinga den Ball nach dem Foul so mitnehmen muss ist ja das Eine. Aber dass ein Schiedsrichter in einem Champions League-Viertelfinale nicht weiß, dass ein Spieler schon gelb hatte, ihm dann eigentlich gelb geben will, dann aber dadurch gezwungen ist, gelbrot zu geben, ist unfassbar. Darf niemals so passieren. #FCBRMA
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@Sky_Marlon89 Was ist das denn für eine Regelauslegung? Entweder man gibt Geld weil es Verdient ist oder man gibt sie nicht, weil es keine Gelds war. Aber sie nicht zu geben, weil es dann Gelb Rot wäre ist wohl komplett daneben. Aber so sind BxBler
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@teslascope Yes sure, I would. But I don’t believe, that we will get one.
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@arangoool Everything is speculative! While there's a chance of that, are you not satisfied if you receive a complimentary HW upgrade?
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A comment / our thoughts on the state of HW3 and a Full Self-Driving (Unsupervised) future, from a HW3 owner.
We are quoting this as @SawyerMerritt has highlighted that the #1 investor question right now pertains to HW3.
Would value everyone’s thoughts as usual!
Teslascope@teslascope
As a HW3 Model 3 owner (and one of the first to get a retrofit from HW2.5), I don’t think it’s per se an issue with the answer we’ve received from Tesla, and more so the timeline. Everyone has their own tolerances for waiting; while I don’t mind waiting years, others feel differently. Many will lose their vehicle or sell it (whether to upgrade to another Tesla or not) before seeing Unsupervised come to fruition. So I think that rephrasing the question to request a formal timeline and commitment, rather than guestimations, would appease the largest group of HW3 owners. “You will receive Unsupervised after we solve it on AI4” has already been given (and is a solid answer). Still, without tangible commitments, it leaves owners (and retail investors) with more questions. If a software only solution is on the table, more confidence is necessary. If a form of retrofit is required, try to set a firm limit on anticipation. I believe we all mutually feel this way. ❤️
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@teslascope But here it is not about waiting. We will never get FSD on HW3. But I paid to get it on my HW3 Tesla…
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@arangoool "Everyone has their own tolerances for waiting; while I don’t mind waiting years, others feel differently. Many will lose their vehicle or sell it (whether to upgrade to another Tesla or not) before seeing Unsupervised come to fruition."
Applies globally. We very much care!
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@teslascope Not a single word about Europe. Only talking about HW3 and unsupervised.
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@arangoool This is precisely what we said in the post you're replying to. 👍
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