Jerad Macmanus

@Beserker64 @Acts17David @JayDyer I have a feeling David Wood is going to bring up the Ante-Nicene church fathers. That is probably his main argument.

@Acts17David @JayDyer I’m so glad you’re here to set the record straight! Clearly the church fathers were clueless

I just agreed to debate @JayDyer on two topics at DebateCon 9 (October 24-25) in Orlando. The topics will be: (1) Icon Veneration and (2) Which Is the True Church? The end of the OrthoBro cult is nigh. 😇

@JayDyer You should find out by actually doing a formal debate with David Wood. youtu.be/sIRQ-nMzKak?si…

Everyone knows David Wood will just repeat Ortlund lol. Debate over already

@JayDyer David Wood challenged you last week. youtu.be/sIRQ-nMzKak?si…

Still have an open offer to publicly formally debate (all of whom declined): Wes Huff David Wood Mike Winger Ruslan Godlogic IP Doug Wilson

@Dark_Justice_21 @vaticansillo @whpub If you take 1 Clement by itself you don't come to those conclusions.

@JeradMac @vaticansillo @whpub he didn't say the place but other church fathers did, Ignatius confirmed Peter and Paul led the church in Rome Iraneous gave the succession of the bishops of rome starting from them Eusebius said they died in Rome

Nobody thought Peter was the “first bishop of Rome” until … wait for it … wait for it … … the late 4th century. Which I guess means the early Church UNANIMOUSLY agreed that Peter was not the first bishop of Rome. 🤣 x.com/whpub/status/1…

@Dark_Justice_21 @vaticansillo @whpub Where does 1 Clement ever say that Paul and Peter are leaders in the church at Rome? The letter treats them symmetrically as shared apostolic heroes for the broader church, with no mention of them residing in, founding, overseeing, or leading the church in Rome.

@JeradMac @vaticansillo @whpub exactly! Clement, Paul they use the term "elder/presbyter" and "bishop" interchangeably and Peter said he is a fellow elder in 1 Pet.5:1, if he was an elder and apostolic people such as clement and paul use "elder" interchangeably with "bishop" then Peter was a BISHOP clear?

@Dark_Justice_21 @vaticansillo @whpub Got it. My mistake. I thought you were arguing that Clement of Rome said that Peter was the first Pope. Clement never says that Peter is the first bishop at Rome either. If using 1 Clement, then your argument would also have to be that Paul was also the first bishop.

@JeradMac @vaticansillo @whpub My first post is a response to the OP about Peter NOT BEING THE FIRST BISHOP OF ROME my first reply had nothing to do with “primacy like a pope”! If you understood it this way then the fault is on you and your poor comprehension Geez 😂

@Dark_Justice_21 @vaticansillo @whpub Clement of Rome uses the term bishop and presbyter interchangeably. Bishop and presbyter were the same office in church at Rome initially.

@JeradMac @vaticansillo @whpub clement said the apostles appointed bishops to replace them, and in Rome he said Peter and Paul died there

@Dark_Justice_21 @vaticansillo @whpub "Iraneus, clement and Ignatius must have been wrong eh" Your original post implied that Clement of Rome wrote that Peter was the first bishop with primacy like a Pope. That was your claim. Your claim is false.

@JeradMac @vaticansillo @whpub there a lot of things Clement did not say, to argue they must be false because clement did not say it is false, its called an argument from silence! Clement never named the other apostles aside from Peter and Paul, does that mean there are only 2 apostles? NO! get my point?

@farmingandJesus I don't believe in a rapture. Christ is coming back once.

Do you believe in a pre tribulation rapture?

@forsman_josh @tabre @LowStudies @ChristandGuitar Sorry, @LowStudies was the one who mentioned the Talmud.

@JeradMac @tabre @LowStudies @ChristandGuitar I never referenced the Talmud and Origen is talking about idols, we can know that because Christians most definitely had frescoes of saints and biblical stories and crosses in their churches. So either Origen was lying or he meant idols.

This conversation between Gavin Ortlund and Fr. Stephen De Young provided excellent clarification between Protestantism and Eastern Orthodoxy. Some thoughts: - De Young was quick to frame Ortlund's refusal to accept EO as the "one true church" as simple emotionalism. I think this is still cope for not understanding how someone could intellectually not agree with EO. Gavin does offer clarification, but I'm not convinced that it stuck very well for De Young. - For most of the video, Ortlund is asking the same exact question (Are Protestants "real" Christians?) multiple times with different wording, with De Young dancing around a non-conclusive answer. He did finally answer with what I've suspected for a while: The answer is yes, but EO refuse to say "yes" because they don't want to give people a reason to leave the church. - I really really appreciate how candid these two were able to be - I love that they were able to end the video with sharing the Gospel I highly recommend watching this. It's actually a very positive and informative conversation.

@Dark_Justice_21 @vaticansillo @whpub Does he say anything that would resemble that he thought Peter was the highest leader in the church and that he held a special office over all of the other bishops that would be passed down to the next guy? No, he doesn't. Peter was not the 1st Pope.

@JeradMac @vaticansillo @whpub funny thing is you were the first to make argument on words 😂

@forsman_josh @tabre @LowStudies @ChristandGuitar Origen was later condomened as a heretic. However, it was not because of his views on images in worship. He uses very strong language to say that Christians do not use images to facilitate worship. I think we can trust him over the Talmud.

@JeradMac @tabre @LowStudies @ChristandGuitar There are multiple examples of antenicene Christian witnesses to praying to saints. You think they kept relics of saints but treated them as decorations? Hermas and Hippolytus right off the bat. There are multiple papyrus fragments from the 200s that reference intercession

@LowStudies @forsman_josh @tabre @ChristandGuitar If you have to go to the Talmud to prove Christian practices in the first 3 centuries of the church then I really will just have to leave it at that.

@forsman_josh @JeradMac @tabre @ChristandGuitar x.com/LowStudies/sta…

@forsman_josh @tabre @LowStudies @ChristandGuitar I can tell the difference. You missed the point. You said that kissing and praying through an image or statue is not worship. However, I bet if you saw a Buddhist kissing and praying to a statue of Buddha you would automactically call it worship.

@JeradMac @tabre @LowStudies @ChristandGuitar You can’t tell the difference between Buddha and a Christian?

@Dark_Justice_21 @vaticansillo @whpub You don't think that the Pope is considered the most important Bishop that has primacy over all of Christendom? Is it the wording you are arguing about?

@JeradMac @vaticansillo @whpub where does it say "supreme bishop"? better yet please take a screenshot from pastor aeternus

@Protestia NAR is not good.

Prophetess Valerie Moore makes up some stuff about filling one's private parts with oil, before demanding everyone give a $226 'seed' offering.

@forsman_josh @tabre @LowStudies @ChristandGuitar Would you kiss a statue of Buddha and pray to it?

@JeradMac @tabre @LowStudies @ChristandGuitar You tell me how kissing an object is worship.

@wheresurhusband @Herr_Oberst45 @Protestia Yes, they seem very happy.

@JeradMac @Herr_Oberst45 @Protestia Its super gay

Backflipping for Jesus? Ed Young's Fellowship Church (SBC) has a "worship dance circle" for their youth group, where they encourage the kiddos "Join the dance circle this Wednesday @7 PM!!"

@Dark_Justice_21 @vaticansillo @whpub Catholic doctrine (e.g., from the First Vatican Council's Pastor Aeternus) teaches papal supremacy: the Pope has full, supreme, immediate, and universal power over the Church as its visible head and pastor. He is the chief bishop with jurisdiction over all other bishops.

@JeradMac @vaticansillo @whpub and??? Pope is a later term that was used not sure where you got the term "supreme bishop"

@forsman_josh @tabre @LowStudies @ChristandGuitar The angels in Revelation are worshipping without sacrifice. You can worship without a sacrifice.

@JeradMac @tabre @LowStudies @ChristandGuitar The line is pretty easy. Don’t offer sacrifice to images and use images as the bodies to be possessed by spirits.