Not Sure

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@NotSure15933706

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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@DangeN00dle @HilldurG That's not a statistical conclusion. It's an arithmatic one. Statistics would require samples. For example, a comparison of polls with increasing stakes, say blue votes cost increasing amounts of money, refundable if blue wins.
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🔞 Danger N00dle 🔞
🔞 Danger N00dle 🔞@DangeN00dle·
@HilldurG Yes and if 50% +1 press blue everyone also lives. So statistically speaking. It's significantly easier to get everyone safe by going blue as the threshold is half of red.
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🔞 Danger N00dle 🔞
🔞 Danger N00dle 🔞@DangeN00dle·
Here's a different way to approach it. Forget morals and all, just think about logistic Best case scenario for everyone to survive Red = 100% votes Blue = 50%+1 votes Which one is easier to achieve from a logistical standpoint?
MrBeast@MrBeast

Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.

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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@DangeN00dle Best case isn't necessarily the most likely. Say for sake of argument that >50% blue is unreachable. "Best case" is then maximum red.
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@SealWithATuxedo @YuletideFrost I think it's far more likely to have a red majority. Given the chance, more people will refuse to play Russian roulette than play but have 1 out of an unknown number of cartridges removed.
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SealWithATuxedo📼🪱🐁🌕|🦅🪓
@NotSure15933706 @YuletideFrost i wouldnt. its still statistically improbable everyone to pick red, which is why ill still pick blue. lets assume there are 8 billion people alive right now. even if 99% of people choose red, 80 MILLION people die. and we all know its still not going to be such a high percentage
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@notsoErudite Does your answer change if only people capable of higher reasoning participated?
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notsoErudite@notsoErudite·
Since everyone was very curious my answer, my answer is obviously blue. Gotta save the naive, the kids, the blue lovers, and the principally hope-pilled people. You red button pickers need therapy.
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MrBeast@MrBeast

Everyone on earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press? BE HONEST.

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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@pcdv8r Would your answer change if only people capable of higher reasoning participated?
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Peter Dun
Peter Dun@pcdv8r·
How do I stop Twitter sharing all these people talking about the blue/red button problem. It's driving me crazy. I'm a parent of a toddler, so ofc I will always pick blue because my kid won't know the difference and will likely go with the colour she likes more (blue). I don't judge or blame you for going red. But I don't care enough to see 100s of people trying to justify it by telling me how stupid I am.
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@SealWithATuxedo @YuletideFrost Would you change your answer if instead only people capable of reasoning were voting? If not, I don't see what you're arguing about.
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SealWithATuxedo📼🪱🐁🌕|🦅🪓
@NotSure15933706 @YuletideFrost thats once again changing the question because the question was if EVERYONE was taken into a room. and there people that arent kids and babies who would be considered incapable of reasoning. people with personality disorders and depressed/suicidal people for example
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@hellofamil73975 Because pressing a button is so simple, it's more like we're just standing on it, and could either simply walk off or stay put. Tying anything down complicates things.
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@pcwithspoiler_ @scarlettscarlia I (and I assume many others) imagine the spirit of the question implies that only people capable of reasoning are voting.
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PC with spoiler@pcwithspoiler_·
@NotSure15933706 @scarlettscarlia There is already a group like that. The question says everybody on earth. That means a lot of kids and babies that won't even understand the question and vote randomly.
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@SealWithATuxedo @YuletideFrost There's definitely some interpretation issues. I imagine that the spirit of the original question implies everyone voting is capable of reasoning.
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SealWithATuxedo📼🪱🐁🌕|🦅🪓
@NotSure15933706 @YuletideFrost "look, you're wrong when i change the hypothetical to being something entirely different!" not to mention all the kids or hell, even infants, that at least one will pick blue out of chance. this time, youre still burdening the red pressers but also calling blues assholes
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@ramez But the blue button is unnecessary to press except to save idiots who pressed it. Even if there were a relatively small external stakes, such as a puppy who couldn't vote but would die if blue didn't hit 50%, it would dramatically justify blue over the current scenario.
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@SealWithATuxedo @YuletideFrost No I'm implying that personal accountability is a thing. Say the vote comes with a counter to show how many people picked blue (and only blue), and we all vote sequentially. If you vote blue while the counter reads 0, YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE.
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SealWithATuxedo📼🪱🐁🌕|🦅🪓
@NotSure15933706 @YuletideFrost red does NOT agree there will be some blues 😭 most reds main argument is 'if we all pick red nobody will die', not acknowledging that there WILL be someone that picks blue. and you are implying that people should die because you think theyre overly empathetic?
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@RuffCrim It's a showcase of suicidal empathy.
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Ruff Criminal
Ruff Criminal@RuffCrim·
People really going crazy with false equivalencies on this dilemma The actual choice is “button that saves everybody” vs “button that saves me” In the original hypo, everyone starts on the tracks, it’s a choice to untie yourself or derail the train
SummoningSalt@summoningsalt

A train is coming down a track. Everyone on Earth has the choice to either tie themselves to the track, or not. If more than 50% of people choose to tie themselves to the track, the train turns around and doesn't run them over. Yes or no - do you tie yourself to the track?

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Beeno@8BitBeeno·
Red voters try so desperately to act like: A) Pushing red is the default and pushing blue is a needless choice and B) That pushing red has no correlation at all to the possible death of blues They pretend to be bystanders in what is a 2 choice vote to avoid accountability
HazardousWolf 🇺🇸@_Hazardous_Wolf

It's happening again.

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Become The Knight
Become The Knight@becometheknight·
Because we value human life, and are willing to risk death to avoid harming others. It's called self-sacrificial love. Try it sometime.
Verai@TheRealVerai

@MrBeast I'll never understand why anyone would push the blue button

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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@becometheknight @ImYazter It's unnecessary. You are risking suicide only to save people who are risking suicide just to save people who are risking suicide etc... It's a faulty reason to risk death, and that mentality is not conducive to a successful society.
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@amadeussmash @YuletideFrost It's an abstraction of the blender problem. Making it buttons causes the ambiguity of whether we start inside or outside the blender.
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amadeus📉
amadeus📉@amadeussmash·
@YuletideFrost yes this is where the moral character resides. Death only occurs if red meets a threshold - it's opposite to the blender problem, where the action to be taken is jumping into a blender and hoping other people save you. Choosing red is accepting constitutive agency in death
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@SealWithATuxedo @YuletideFrost This comes with the assumption that there will be blues. Red does agree that there will be some blues. But they overvalue virtue over their own survival and we don't need that. It's a suicide button.
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SealWithATuxedo📼🪱🐁🌕|🦅🪓
@YuletideFrost its crazy to me how red pressers keep redefining the thought experiment, causing the thought experiment to change. the whole point is that it is framed by burdening the red button with the idea that too many presses is going to kill the blue ones.
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@PAHoyeck You missed the biggest red reason. We believe that it's not possible to get 50% blue Polls with no stakes are CLOSE right now.
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Phil Hoyeck
Phil Hoyeck@PAHoyeck·
It's actually kind of fascinating how much the blue button vs red button discourse captures the pitfalls of human reasoning. Both blue button pushers and red button pushers think theirs is the obvious choice. But each fails miserably to explain the other side’s view.
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@nerokanyovelle @8BitBeeno The blue side started empty. Why would the first person walk under the spikes in the first place?
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Not Sure@NotSure15933706·
@8BitBeeno If you adjust the scenario such that 10% of people are forced to abstain and will be killed along with the blues if they fail to reach 50%, you'd likely convert a lot of reds. Blues are the ones avoiding accountability otherwise.
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