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| former Trader | Jack of all Trades | Sloppy Erudite | TradCath | Lurker | SSPX attendee. Looking for allies in this Modernist Crisis.

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@mfjlewis @norton_tj Wow I can't believe this is so bad that i'm siding on mike lewis on a particular issue............................Odd world.........
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Mike Lewis@mfjlewis·
@norton_tj He is making an absurd argument. The church can and has weighed in. CCC 2246: It is a part of the Church's mission "to pass moral judgments even in matters related to politics, whenever the fundamental rights of man or the salvation of souls requires it."
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Mike Lewis@mfjlewis·
Was anyone else waiting to see how Bishop Barron was going to spin this in Trump's favor? 🙋🏼‍♂️
Bishop Robert Barron@BishopBarron

There is a way past the absurd and deeply divisive “war” between the President and the Pope, which has been enthusiastically ginned up by the press. And it is indicated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 2309 to be precise. After laying out the various criteria for determining a just war—proportionality, last resort, declaration by a competent authority, reasonable hope of success, etc.—the Catechism points out that “the evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.” The assumption is that the just war principles function, to use the technical term, as heuristic devices, designed to guide the practical decision-making of those civil authorities who have to adjudicate matters of war and peace. The role of the Church, therefore, is to call for peace and to urge that any conflict be strictly circumscribed by the moral constraints of the just war criteria. But it is not the role of the Church to evaluate whether a particular war is just or unjust. That appraisal belongs to the civil authorities, who, one presumes, have requisite knowledge of conditions on the ground. So, is the war in question truly the last resort? Is there really a balance between the good to be attained and the destruction caused by the war? Are combatants and non-combatants being properly distinguished in the waging of the conflict? Do the belligerents have right intention? Is there a reasonable hope of success? The posing of those questions—indeed the insistence upon their moral relevance—belongs rightly to the Church, but the answering of them belongs to the civil authorities. The Pope has said, on numerous occasions, that he is not a politician and that his role is not the determination of any nation's foreign policy. But he has just as clearly said that he will continue to speak for peace and for moral constraint. In making both of these claims, he is operating perfectly within the framework of paragraph 2309 of the Catechism. If we understand that the Pope and the President have qualitatively different roles to play in the determination of moral action in regard to war, we can, I hope, extricate ourselves from the completely unhelpful narrative of “Pope vs. President.”

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Nox@Nox5347·
@EduardoBaston @jzipple "Misinterpretation" without backing why its a so called misinterpetation is a lvl 0 refutation. Its null circular reasoning.
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Jeremy Zipple, SJ
Jeremy Zipple, SJ@jzipple·
A lot of faithful Catholics who are much brighter than I are confused by this. Barron seems to claim that it’s the Trump admin or Putin’s govt who gets to decides what is a just war? So what about the many popes who’ve declared specific wars unjust, eg JPII & Iraq or Leo & Iran?
Bishop Robert Barron@BishopBarron

There is a way past the absurd and deeply divisive “war” between the President and the Pope, which has been enthusiastically ginned up by the press. And it is indicated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 2309 to be precise. After laying out the various criteria for determining a just war—proportionality, last resort, declaration by a competent authority, reasonable hope of success, etc.—the Catechism points out that “the evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.” The assumption is that the just war principles function, to use the technical term, as heuristic devices, designed to guide the practical decision-making of those civil authorities who have to adjudicate matters of war and peace. The role of the Church, therefore, is to call for peace and to urge that any conflict be strictly circumscribed by the moral constraints of the just war criteria. But it is not the role of the Church to evaluate whether a particular war is just or unjust. That appraisal belongs to the civil authorities, who, one presumes, have requisite knowledge of conditions on the ground. So, is the war in question truly the last resort? Is there really a balance between the good to be attained and the destruction caused by the war? Are combatants and non-combatants being properly distinguished in the waging of the conflict? Do the belligerents have right intention? Is there a reasonable hope of success? The posing of those questions—indeed the insistence upon their moral relevance—belongs rightly to the Church, but the answering of them belongs to the civil authorities. The Pope has said, on numerous occasions, that he is not a politician and that his role is not the determination of any nation's foreign policy. But he has just as clearly said that he will continue to speak for peace and for moral constraint. In making both of these claims, he is operating perfectly within the framework of paragraph 2309 of the Catechism. If we understand that the Pope and the President have qualitatively different roles to play in the determination of moral action in regard to war, we can, I hope, extricate ourselves from the completely unhelpful narrative of “Pope vs. President.”

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@Catholicizm1 chose the wrong word i meant personally consider it. 'tolerate' sounded like in third person. its about him after you after all.
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Anthony@Catholicizm1·
@Nox5347 I’ve always tolerated Sede’s and even granted they could be correct.
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Anthony@Catholicizm1·
I’m going to be hated by my own. Preparing myself for it.
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Pray The Rosary
Pray The Rosary@PrayTheRosary·
Stop being angry online. It's bad for your soul.
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Sr. Mary Joseph Calore, SSCJ
Can you please pray the attached prayer right now for our Sisters, our John Paul II Manor, our candidates and apostolates? Thank you.
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Anthony
Anthony@Catholicizm1·
The Catholic media civil war is going to get very interesting. People I formerly considered friends and allies are going to become enemies.
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Gandalf the Greyman 🇻🇦
Gandalf the Greyman 🇻🇦@TacticalGanda1f·
@Catholicizm1 The current lineup of watchable Catholic creators are AB/GNR, the Latin Slavs, Joshua Charles, TLM Ryan, Gaspers, and Hichborn. Don’t fall out with any of those guys lol
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meta thomist 🇻🇦
meta thomist 🇻🇦@metathomist·
Anthony Abbate when he’s been rolling Novus Ordorites but a sede joins in the roasting.
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Nox@Nox5347·
@Catholicizm1 I'd rather use the word 'trust' but yea I get your point.
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Nox@Nox5347·
@FrDaveNix Even Bishop Fellay says its not a question of bad will or not a question of judging why they do so. Im skeptical of these resistance/sede or anything sympathetic to those positions.
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Nox@Nox5347·
@FrDaveNix sorry fr according to fatima/annelise michel case is we fight the enemies of the church by sacrifice and penance as asked by Our Lady.We do acknowledge the fact they are gravely wrong and not become splainers. neo sedes or sede tolerant uses these arguments to justify resentment
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Fr. Dave Nix
Fr. Dave Nix@FrDaveNix·
Our greatest enemy as Christians is hell—the loss of souls—not political losses. And we know from the 1917 apparitions in Fatima (the greatest private revelation since public revelation ended with the death of the last apostle) the biggest trap of our times to lead people to hell is communism and modernism, especially as promoted by the Catholic hierarchy. The threat to souls is not Trump (though he has certainly said some stupid things lately.) It's not even the Jews (even though I admit after living in Jerusalem last summer that the state of Israel is very evil.) Rather, the yawning pit to hell is opened because the Catholic hierarchy is promoting Marxism ad modernism (especially the heresy of religious indifferentism.) That's Our Lady of Fatima's warning, not mine (at least according to everyone who has read the Third Secret, including both conservatives and liberals.) Maybe we should pay heed to Fatima—the most unusual and extraordinary miracle since the Resurrection of Christ—given specifically for our times, instead of finding easy scapegoats that distract us from eternity.
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Matt Gaspers
Matt Gaspers@MattGaspers·
Hey @BigModernism, if @TaylorRMarshall is “shilling/grifting” by producing and promoting content (and me, as well, by implication), then what exactly is your Substack? I guess your standard only applies to “Trad Inc” and not to you and your “Sede Inc” friends and allies. “But woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites…” (Matt. 23:13).
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Producer @ Avoiding Babylon
@StephenKokx What Prevost did was 30 years ago. What Trump did was 3 days ago. Also, we've reached out to Sedes and have found out just how unreasonable they are.
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Stephen Kokx
Stephen Kokx@StephenKokx·
What Prevost did with Pachamama is far more offensive than what Trump did this week. Also, why don't Trad influencers reach out to sede's and have a conversation instead of act like bullies in a high school cafeteria?
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Ḃôḇ worships the Co-Redemptrix
It doesnt make a difference. Fr. Paul Laymann moral theologian 1574-1635: “...for as long as he is tolerated by the Church, and is publicly recognized as the universal pastor, he is still endowed, in fact, with the pontifical power, in such a way that all his decrees have no less force and authority than they would if he were truly faithful, as Dominic Barnes notes well (q.1, a. 10, doubt 2, ad. 3) Suarez bk 4, on laws, ch. 7. The reason is: because it is conducive to the governing of the Church, even as, in any other well-constituted commonwealth, that the acts of a public magistrate are in force as long as he remains in office and is publicly tolerated.”
John-Henry Westen@JhWesten

EXCLUSIVE: Vatican court confirms ongoing investigation into validity of Pope Benedict’s resignation lifesitenews.com/blogs/vatican-…

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Nox@Nox5347·
@Catholicizm1 Errors aren't necessarily heresy there's lvls of censures for a reason. I unfollowed these practical sedes they dont follow moral theology at all. 0 cred. 0. Een the Society is very textbook on the way they do their decisions
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Anthony@Catholicizm1·
Sorry guys. I don’t think a council promulgated heresy. I think the Novus Ordo is a valid Mass and I’m in union with Pope Leo. I don’t know who any of you have been listening to these last 4 years but I’ve never held a contrary opinion. I think the last 66 years have been a catastrophe for the church but I still think it’s the Church Christ established. How is this shocking to anyone?
Stephen Kokx@StephenKokx

"What they did — this has nothing to do with heresy — it was just a naive group of men from that generation, they let their guard down." - @Catholicizm1 on Vatican II tonight. "It is at Rome that the heresy is established ... liberalism and modernism have entered the Council and the interior of the Church. These are revolutionary ideas ... Cardinal Ratzinger does not conceal it: they have adopted ideas not of the Church, but of the world, and they think they must introduce them into our Church." - Archbishop Lefebvre on Vatican II

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@Catholicizm1 Sedes always reeks of malice.disagree with x person so Making fun of him is licit.I never see them follow Moral theology rules. They look like Beginners not even past the active Purgative way in The Interior Life. They fail Moral(the floor) How much more Ascetical (Ceiling)
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Anthony@Catholicizm1·
The Sede’s got together and came up with a game plan to refute me. They chose the greatest mind they have. I’m finished. I’ll never recover.
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