@sunrisemakeyou People that just care about the themes piss me off so much. Your themes don't fucking matter if you don't support them through your writing.
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RevolverSnake
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it's not wiki fodder to expect the author to stick to the rules they made in the first place
the emiliest! 🌻@emilyis_emilies
“themes and such” being like an insult is weird to me because… i feel like. delivering your themes and message properly in a story is more important than like. having a perfectly consistent world forever. a story is meant to make you feel something, not just be wiki fodder
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@emilyis_emilies Having a well constructed plot is wiki fodder now.
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“themes and such” being like an insult is weird to me because… i feel like. delivering your themes and message properly in a story is more important than like. having a perfectly consistent world forever. a story is meant to make you feel something, not just be wiki fodder
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@MEATPRIESTESS @kou_kishin @emilyis_emilies Do you have any examples for writers that fall into that category?
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@kou_kishin @emilyis_emilies Absolutely! I think the problem is that a lot of young writers dont set out to write a story, they set out to build a fandom, so they tailor everything they make to support one rather than writing a compelling story
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@kou_kishin @MEATPRIESTESS @emilyis_emilies Creating a well constructed world that follows it's established rules with a rich history is not good writing?
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@MEATPRIESTESS @emilyis_emilies Partially a young writer problem, partially "well game of thrones/hobbits has crazy worldbuilding, i want that reputation!!!!"
Partially, its thinking that worldbuilding can compensate for one's insecurity in their ability to write. Or lack of any story to tell in the first place
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@emilyis_emilies Nobody is talking about "worldbuilding". Clearly Fujimoto never really cared about worldbuilding.
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i’ll gladly take a story with strong themes and messages but non-expansive worldbuilding over one with a super thought-out world but nothing to say with it
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@emilyis_emilies @CrispyMoldBro Nobody is talking about "lore". We just wanted a story about as good as part 1, that supports it's themes with a well constructed plot.
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@CrispyMoldBro people seem to not realize that themes and such is usually a bazillion times more important than lore 💔
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@emilyis_emilies People complaining about "themes and such" should never touch Goodbye Eri. If you don't analyse Goodbye Eri thematically, its ending also narratively makes zero sense.
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@featherleafern @emilyis_emilies That is in fact how it is used.
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@emilyis_emilies i always read it as an insult towards people who claim to have really deep, meaningful, moving themes and topics in their story, but their portrayal falls completely flat because they don't know how to properly write more nuanced themes. crazy that's not how it's used??
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@TheDoct37878744 @anon54980 "even more hate" Bro, people loved that shit when it came out.
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@anon54980 It was probably a good idea that Crybaby shows a bit of Akira vs Ryo fight. Had it been completely off-screen like the manga, it would have had even more hate.
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Devilman unironically has a "Themes and such" ending lol
LazyKing@TheDoct37878744
If Devilman and Getter Robo Go had come out in this time, there would have been a massive meltdown over the ending.
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@wil3681 It's a shame part 2 didn't have any hype fight scenes.
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Shonen fans are like superhero fans: hyped for the fight scenes, heartbroken when it ends, then immediately switching to the next series like it’s a life-or-death battle.
august@regularaugust
I feel bad for whatever manga inherits chainsaw man fans after tomorrow
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@psycogenicFugue That's were the divide with csm and a lot of other stuff like it comes from. Some people care more about the themes and some people care more about the story.
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The communication of themes in of themselves does not make a story good, the communication itself also has to be good
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@UncleHuss1 How could you possibly think this was supposed to be a triumphant moment?
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It’s interesting how I thought this was framed as a triumphant moment originally only for it now to be a really dark one
It’s just the opposite end of an extreme for Denji, either wanting the bare minimum or everything
Both will sabotage you
legy@3rdlegy
Honestly speaking, the worst thing about part 2 is the assassination of denji's character for me. He used to be one of my favourite but now i genuinely get pissed at what he's become, i can't even enjoy his part 1 self in a vacuum with the context of p2 that's how bad it is.
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It’s funny because of all the characters Yoshidas arc is probably the easiest to understand
Fujimoto basically spells out his entire life for you😭💔
GENO@genospsychosis
So he genuinely did this for no reason
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@ankowaifu Yea, he did not deserve all the glazer who were ride or die with him for all of part 2.
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@LegoAlex98 @ZeroSilver18 Well, the ending made me feel nothing.
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@ZeroSilver18 And this is completely valid
My point is not to say that you have to like it but that you should base your opinion on how it made YOU feel and not what the characters may feel
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Starting to think reading only manga truly fries your brain bc why is everyone acting like a 12yo
The characters are a means to spread a certain message to the reader, who cares if they are not aware of it themselves dude the author is speaking to YOU!
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@TheGumGun Love it when characters just represent a theme instead of being fully fleshed out.
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you guys have to try seeing these characters based on what the author meant to convey with them rather than following a character arc from point A to point B
it's not about her "story" it's about what she represented as a narrative presence and no LITERAL event can erase that
Ichi@Ichigo_WD
The issue is that her entire journey in Part 2 is now irrelevant. She hasn't grown as a character. Her story was just completely erased and then rewritten. Asa's story was made to be meaningless.
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The poor man's rose is one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen a shonen manga do. Its beauty accentuates how horrifying it is tenfold, felt like I didn't breathe once while reading this chapter
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@rokkumanyaoi @IB01CEL240 It's quite simple actually. Fire Punch = great. csm part 2 = somewhere between bad and mid. I don't even know man.
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@SnakeRevolver @IB01CEL240 how do u have an agni pfp and hate part 2 bro how did u even like fire punch if part 2 is that off-putting
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@Logahndi7 @Jordan24866760 @bumblemio True, the final chapter does feel like fanfiction after all so it makes sense.
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@SnakeRevolver @Jordan24866760 @bumblemio well yeah but at that point you’re just writing fanfiction🤷♂️
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@dubukiro I thought only a fanfiction writer could bring back Power like this but...
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