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Witwer with the creative team confirmed Maul was exhausted and his damaged leg hindered his performance against Vader, plus Vader used The Inquisitors to record Maul, to have him studied when the duel would happen, and Maul still gave an unexpectedly fight youtu.be/ZYzyZynpUlY

@papergas @Launchpad_Gage @ScriptTrooper George Lucas still clarified The Jedi Training up to TPM was the gold-standard that fabricated the most perfect Jedi Knights, in contrast with how The Jedi got corrupted in Revenge of The Sith, and the difference how Obi-Wan was trained with any Jedi post him.

@papergas @Launchpad_Gage @ScriptTrooper In fact, all Jedi Training during "war time" was inefficient, since The Masters could not take the time in provide their padawans their skills, this is clarified in comic-books. The Jedi Training in Republic Era was personalized + fully exigent + physical, minus the risk of dying

The fights between Maul and the Jedi versus the Inquisitors in Maul Shadow Lord make make Ahsoka look like a more powerful Jedi than any of them by an extremely wide margin while simultaneously making Maul look weak and Qui Gon look like a total bum.

@Launchpad_Gage @ScriptTrooper Obi-Wan was trained 10 years by a legendary Jedi Master stated by George to be on par with Yoda in that regard and Obi-Wan was prior to that fight specifically clarified as fully trained, Maul also was younger than him. The youngling training was made by 100% of The Order, fella.

@TarkLev @ScriptTrooper Ahsoka trained since a youngling before even becoming anakins padawan. Then had war time battle experience battling droids and general grevious. And let’s not forget Maul was cut in half by Obi Wan when he was a padawan.

@Tresob @ScriptTrooper Qui-Gon was ten time better master than Anakin and George portrayed TMP Jedi Order as the gold standard in matter of training. Ahsoka was trained two years, and the 100% of The Jedi took part of TCW, still under 10 years criteria to be knighted, Ahsoka exceed due being Filoni fav

@ScriptTrooper She was trained by the guy who becomes Vader during a time of violence, war, and revealed Sith, so I think that’s fair. Qui-gon was a master during a time of relative peace. He wasn’t ready for a Sith Lord.

@sith_vixen Sam said something similar, that internally Maul was extremely irritated with Daki not following his earlier advice, and actually was being hindered in the fight instead of helping him, since when Maul opened himself to offensive, Daki was still defensive. youtube.com/watch?v=XMAx1y…

maul shadow lord spoilers daki and devon are obv in sync whenever they fight together, so it was cool to see how incompatible daki was w maul when they tried to take vader on together. maul's too aggressive and they're both used to leading in the duels they participate in

@sith_vixen Qui-Gon was confirmed stronger than Kit Fisto by Lucas and Gillard system, so you are right.

kit fisto's not touching maul i'm going to need y'all to be serious

@Launchpad_Gage @ScriptTrooper This is often the take that makes Ahsoka fans look like failed attempt of based guys. Maul was trained over ten years by Sidious, better master than Anakin, Anakin was trained ten years to become who he was, and Obi-Wan was too better master than him. Ahsoka was trained two years

@Launchpad_Gage @ScriptTrooper 100% of The Jedi Order also took part in TCW, and this did not gave them as much outlier label as her, who spended less time in the war than all of them + who had less training than all of them. Filoni even had to take standard Legends Jedi training and make it an "Anakin thing"

@ScriptTrooper Only If you ignore how story-telling works 1) Maul had a broken leg 2) Maul was taken in a 1v2, Ahsoka faced them individually 3) Marrok gave genuine fight to Ahsoka in two ocassions 4) Witwer confirmed Marrok was stronger before his zombie version 5) Maul outclassed them in EP 9

@capybarafan2209 What was already stated by Filoni was that Vader was on full killing mode, silently because he was there to destroy and fulfill his mission, without personal opinions on the matter. Your other imaginary statement is false, Dave never said Vader will beat Maul in any situation.

@TarkLev Vader held back and is already stated by filoni to be able to defeat maul easily in any situation. Maul will never be on vaders level

Daily reminder than Maul alone held his own against Vader while having a broken leg + suffering from prior injuries + exhausted and still survived several minutes of duel. Had he been fine like in Episode 4 where he defeated Daki easily, it would have been epic to see.

@vos661 @retneysholocron Worst thing is that from a story-telling standpoint, the stories of George about Ahsoka were always better for her character and challenging, Filoni only throws flowers to her + makes her boring. Both Maul fight and Ahsoka beating her first Inquisitor was better in George script.

@TarkLev @retneysholocron Yeah, the difference between Ahsoka vs Maul in the Ahsoka novel, based on the original script, and the TCW S7 rewritten by Filoni is jarring. Ahsoka runs from Maul in the novel, and traps him in ray shields with the help of clones. She doesn't 1v1 him

It’s interesting that a lot of the established lore around Maul, especially in the EU, stated that he was incredibly powerful and one of the greatest fighters in the history of the Sith. But in his actual story he constantly fails and gets beaten.

@retneysholocron @vos661 Example, did not want to bring back Maul, he was in disagreement with give him Mandalore, wanted to kill him to Sidious but George forbid it, openly stated he prefered animate Sister Martel to SoD, and Siege of Mandalore is George story, only thing Filoni changed? Ahsoka vs Maul.

@retneysholocron @vos661 What you said starts in Rebels. Until George Maul had a success strike in TCW, and when he failed to Sidious, was supposed to recover all back until Post-Empire Era. The Maul is a tragic character is a Filoni idea, who mind you, always was in disagreement with George as peer Maul

@frankth21691222 And yes, The Inquisitor was shown too powerful, that was simply because Ahsoka when written by Filoni is unreliable. She has fought to Grievous, Ventress, Maul, Vader, even ROTS Anakin in series, never was shown bad, but in all instances there are elements forced to justify it

@frankth21691222 20 seconds, and you act as If it changed something, Daki was getting gradually worst through the fight, and Vader every so second strike some kind of injury, Vader was fully to the kill all the time, when he get cut he was enranged, but Daki consistently show same performance.

@frankth21691222 Are you joking? An older, mentally unestable, past prime Maul with a cane, that says he is nothing compared to his prime self and admitted he spended years trapped, without sun, resources and surviving due the force, seems like a fully rested Maul?

@TarkLev Also Maul in rebels fully rested with no injuries flat out told them he was no match for Vader 🤷🏿‍♂️

@frankth21691222 I will repeat, Had you not noticed until now that your entire reasoning against Maul needs exclusivily to contradict the source material, basic narrative + the authors themselves? (you no longer answer to the arguments I debunk it seems, you just change it). Maul was holding back

@TarkLev This is the same guy that lost to teenage Ashoka

@frankth21691222 None said Vader loses against Maul either, just that the fight would be much closer, your case of "Rebels Maul" literally aids nothing into your own argument, Maul admitted being past his prime after being years imprisoned in Malachor, and he still proposed killing him with help.

@frankth21691222 But I will let you clear so we get over with this. Maul had a broken leg, was exhausted and injured and still held his own against Vader for minutes, one that Filoni confirmed going for the kill, and Sam said this weakness was studied by Vader, to kill and avoid his escape.