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even in the basic commentaries of kitab at-tawhid and other books you learn that sihr in the shar' has a general meaning which is haram and a specific meaning (involving sihr takhyili and sihr haqiqi) which is kufr, and that some things are only sihr linguistically (not in shar')

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clarification because i cant reply anymore for some reason: i dont excuse the illusionary magicians, sihr takhyeeli is kufr. but i believe sleight of hand tricks dont come under sihr takhyeeli in its shar'i meaning in the first place which other scholars have also said

@ArabicWithEase @Alhaqqan90 i believe its haram im just saying we should have husn ad-dhann, al alusi mentions some of the ulama considered this sleight of hand trickery to be haram rather than claiming ijmaa' also ibn baz mentions the reasons for why the saahir is executed

Furthermore, even if some scholar mentioned that this is not Kufr Akbar. First of all, the deen is based upon proofs and evidences, the scholars when they claimed that Illusionary Magic is Kufr Akbar, they used the Ayahs about the Magicians of Fir'aun, and how Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala's words make it clear that it was illusionary in nature, hence their argument is very strong. So we ask you to bring the daleel from the Qur'an and Sunnah that illusionary magic is not Kufr Akbar. Secondly, as Al-Haqqan claimed, where is the daleel that "Ahlul Ilm" said that it's "not haraam"? SubhanAllah, that's such a dangerous thing to say, when scholars like Shaykh Al Fawzan حفظه اللّٰه is saying that this is Kufr Akbar, and Shaykh Ibn Baz رحمه اللّٰه is also saying that such a person should be executed, and we have such examples from the Sahabah رضي اللّٰه عنهم as well. This video explains it in detail: youtu.be/t0Q7Yd66mco

@ArabicWithEase @Alhaqqan90 ibn baz mentions that the intent behind the hadd punishment for the saahir is laso because of eliminating those who worship the jinn and claim ilmul ghayb

@ArabicWithEase @Alhaqqan90 yes ofc, but sihr takhyeeli is also related to the shayateen as mentioned by ibn baz and many ulama in their commentaries of nawaqidul islam and other fatawa in general

@ArabicWithEase @Alhaqqan90 such as al alusi mentioning this doesnt come under the shar'i definition of sihr, and al alusi said its also considered haram to some such as nawawi in his rawdah sh al barrak explains this in detail and says sleight of hand tricks are haram due to what it leads to which is kufr

@ArabicWithEase @Alhaqqan90 it seems that sh. ibn baz also takes this to be sihr takhyili involving shayateen - what would make sleight of hand tricks kufr other than this and claiming ilmul ghayb? as sh ibn taymiyyah differed between الحال الشيطاني and الحال البهتاني, with some ulama 1/

@ArabicWithEase @Alhaqqan90 i'd also recommend the sharh of shaykh salih aal as-sheikh on kitab at-tawhid he mentions some things are called sihr in the linguistic sense but not in the shar'i sense imam si'di also mentions 2 angles from which sihr is kufr which is claiming ilmul ghayb + shayateen

How do they not come under Sihr Takhyeeli? Literally the distinction between Sihr Haqiqi and Takhyeeli is that there is assistance of Shayateen/Jinn involved in Sihr Haqiqi, but that's not the case with regards to Sihr Takhyeeli. This audio of Shaykh Al Fawzan Hafidhahullah makes it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that the illusionary tricks, that are not done through the aid of Jinn/Shayateen are still Kufr Akbar. The Shaykh explicits mentions many tricks performed by Acrobats/Illusionary magicians in circus shows, and then says "This is not Sihr Haqiqi, rather it is Sihr Takhyeeli", and he says that this is "kadhib" (lie, falsehood), and he also says that anyone who is "pleased with it" has disbelieved. It could not be more clear than this.

@ArabicWithEase @Alhaqqan90 involves worship of the devils and the stars. But as for the other type which is from the angle of trickery (sha'wadhah) then the one who learns it does not become a disbelieiver by it.

@ArabicWithEase @Alhaqqan90 if shaykh al fawzan actually means what is intended then he'd be incorrect on sleight of hand tricks being kufr in and of itself, the tafseel on the type of sihr that is kufr is mentioned by ibn baz and others 1/2

@ArabicWithEase @Alhaqqan90 2/2 Ibn Hajar al-Asqalaani said in Fath al-Baaree (10/224): And this verse (2:102) has been used as a proof that sihr (magic) is kufr and the one who learns it is a disbeliever, and this is very apparent with respect to some of its types which I have already mentioned, which 2/3

@ArabicWithEase @Alhaqqan90 + looking at the fatawa of ibn baz, his intent is clearly not the sleight of hand tricks, this isnt what the mashayikh intend when they talk about sihr takhyeeli being kufr dajjaal.com/liar/articles/…

@ArabicWithEase @Alhaqqan90 sleight of hand tricks dont come under sihr takhyeeli, which actually involves shayateen and all that (sihr done by the magicians at the time of musa 3alayhis salaam with the snakes was sihr takhyeeli) according th the ulama ive seen sleight of hand tricks are haram though

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@Simsalabim23890 @wannabemuhadith wa feeka barakAllah

@_nqbeel @wannabemuhadith Ok Akhī Barak Allahu fiik for your time!

While I don’t agree with some of shaykh alwan’s takfiri tendencies, it seems wild to me that basically all the major huffadh amongst the hadith scholars in Saudi are in jail. It’s as if they don’t want those who are well versed in ahadith to be out there speaking to people 🤔🤔

@Simsalabim23890 @wannabemuhadith id recommend u go to someone like @_mohamedd24 on this issue of al-hakimiyyah its a complex topic and it seems to be diverting from the original discussion

@_nqbeel @wannabemuhadith Not praying 5x day, making lawful what is forbidden by ijma and making halal what is haram or haram what is halal, short answer their Religion is Democrasy their World view is Secularism and Democrasy.

@Simsalabim23890 @wannabemuhadith theres no ijma that hajj was a kafir, but what nawaqid do the hukkaam of today have?

@_nqbeel @wannabemuhadith Why did the Salaf made Takfir on Hajjāj him not for killing Sahaba, because killing someone who does not deserve to be killed is harām not kufr? He took jizyāh from non Arab Muslims, and this was for some kufr, so look at his kufr and the kufr of todays hukn They have 40 Naqid

@Simsalabim23890 @wannabemuhadith hajjaj ibn yusuf was an evil ruler who killed people from the salaf in the thousands, some of the salaf even made takfir of him yet the salaf reached ijma khuruj was haram after ibn al ash'ath rebelled against him

@_nqbeel @wannabemuhadith Akhī How can you compare the rulers who supported jihad and Mujahideen and Sharia, and amr bil maruf with todays rulers who most of the rulers who are secular?