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Gopala the Elephant
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Gopala the Elephant
@b0rtcask1
Vaishnava reject. Sri Vidya curious. Cultural Catholic. Actually Mexican.
Devi Dham เข้าร่วม Aralık 2018
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@pluant I kinda dig how advocates of the current Catholic liturgy treat it like an HR bonding exercise where participation is mandatory and lack of enthusiasm will be noted in your next performance review.
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Next we’ll hear it’s at least venially sinful if you meditate on a stained glass window image during Mass.
After all, you’re being disobedient to the rigidly clear and hyper-specific Paul VI teachings about what you should be doing during liturgy!
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@OrthoBruno Philip Glass is a devout Tibetan Buddhist, I guess they have a point 🤷
youtu.be/siDCvpB5KiA?si…
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Dangerous game here since pagans can kinda sorta claim Wagner if you squint hard.
Eccles@BruvverEccles
I see your Bach and Handel, and raise you to Palestrina, Monteverdi, Byrd, Tallis, Vivaldi, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Liszt, Bruckner, Poulenc, Elgar, Messiaen, ... #catholic
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If I ever fully blue pilled on Roman Catholicism and Vatican II I'd join the Neocatechumenal Way. They seem fun tbh.
Catholic Conclave@cathconclave
“We were already lost. And the only thing that could save us was the Pope (Benedict XVI) dying – but he didn’t die, he resigned, oh thank God – and Bergoglio has saved us” Kiko Arguello, founder of the Neocatechumenal Way #CatholicX
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@cathconclave That's funny because I thought Benedict XVI approved the Neocatechumenal Way.
vatican.va/content/benedi…
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“We were already lost. And the only thing that could save us was the Pope (Benedict XVI) dying – but he didn’t die, he resigned, oh thank God – and Bergoglio has saved us”
Kiko Arguello, founder of the Neocatechumenal Way #CatholicX
КристианH@Luis61053512
“Estábamos ya perdidos. Y lo único que nos podrá salvar es que muera el Papa(Benedicto XVI) y no ha muerto, dimitió, oh gracias a Dios, y Bergoglio nos ha salvado” Kiko Arguello fundador del camino neocatecomunal
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@Robkearney1981 I had a friend who converted from Catholicism to Shia Islam for a hot minute and he pointed this out to me.
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The thing about development of doctrine discourse in Catholicism is it's never about if the changes were good, it's all about procedure & sleight of hand theological tricks. No one can ever just admit "the past position was bad & I am glad they changed it," even tho that's what
Gopala the Elephant@b0rtcask1
@urpflanze_ I like your admitting that Rome has changed and it's a good thing. The honesty is refreshing at least.
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@urpflanze_ -yes so what
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you lack the fundamental knowledge and nuance to even begin to understand what the teaching of the church is on these and why there is a perceived change
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Catholicism has changed on:
- Liturgy
- Death Penalty
- Just War
- Religious Liberty
- Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
- Collegiality of Bishops
- Communicatio in sacris
- Communion to the remarried
You want more or shall I stop?
Pope Respecter@poperespecter1
Catholicism is the only Christian religion that never changed on: - Birth Control - Divorce and Remarriage - Women clergy - Rainbow stuff
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@urpflanze_ I like your admitting that Rome has changed and it's a good thing. The honesty is refreshing at least.
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@AndrewBurch14 @pluant Most of the High Masses I've attended recently I was in the schola lol.
Also, I understand Latin so that's kinda distracting if I'm trying to pray the rosary during Mass. Usually I whisper into my beads if there's bad acoustics and I can't hear anything.
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@b0rtcask1 @pluant There’s enough time for it at a High Mass (so long as you don’t worry about following all the silent prayers of the priest) even if you sing all your parts of the Ordinary and follow the readings + audible prayers.
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It’s cultural prejudicial, but it’s also this odd legalism where absolutely everything must be codified, with a right way and a wrong way and naught else.
LB236@thelb236
This is one step from "It's wrong to pray the Rosary at Mass" to "If you can't afford a hand missal to follow the prayers of the Latin Mass, you're doing it wrong" or "If you attend a Novus Ordo in a language you're not familiar with and you can't respond, you're doing it wrong" under the logic on display here. There truly is a class of Catholics who cannot comprehend that the Church exists beyond just the middle class Anglosphere in which most are presumed to be literate. So tiresome.
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@JohnIrishAnglcn I was bad at it but a lot of other seminarians managed quite well.
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@b0rtcask1 How did playing soccer in a cassock work?
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When people are really confused as to why Vatican II happened and why the convents emptied I always advise watching the Australian miniseries The Brides of Christ set around the Council. It's really accurate as to what happened imo. You can find it on YouTube.
Catholic Conclave@cathconclave
TRUE STORY 90,000 nuns immediately left their convents following the adoption of the revolutionary changes of Vatican II; the changes were read out in every convent; everything that made the convents holy places was removed; TODAY, there is nothing but desolation!
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@jjbauer15 I guess the Dalai Lama is actually the reincarnation of the Bodhisattva of Compassion 🤷
youtu.be/y5ZL1IopECI?si…
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Summary of the responses:
- "The SSPX's existence is the miracle and they are the first in history this kind of miracle exists for"
- "You're gay"
Jacob Bauer@jjbauer15
St. Francis de Sales lists two ways in which someone can authenticate their mission: 1. Ordinary, by the hierarchy — "The Church sent me and can be proven with my paperwork" 2. Extraordinary, by God — "God sent me and can be proven with miracles" Which does the SSPX provide?
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@jjbauer15 I guess Orthodoxy is right then 🤷
orthodoxhawaii.org/icons
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St. Francis de Sales lists two ways in which someone can authenticate their mission:
1. Ordinary, by the hierarchy — "The Church sent me and can be proven with my paperwork"
2. Extraordinary, by God — "God sent me and can be proven with miracles"
Which does the SSPX provide?
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@JK08467264 I was in the Society of St. Pius X, look it up.
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@b0rtcask1 Well, it was a reconstruction, a reasonable facsimile. The late 90’s/early 2000’s didn’t have many traditional religious orders that had much continuity with the past. And the “shame culture” is like a “boogie man” that is always discussed, but never can be articulated. Odd
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@JK08467264 Shame culture is when someone did something twenty years ago & they're basically shunned & their existence is never mentioned in the family. Super common, everyone had stories in the old days about this.
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@PaulinusOfTrier I've never prayed them and if you ask me to name them I'd probably come up with two or three and not in the right order. 😎
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The artificial introduction of the Luminous Mysteries is quite a good illustration of the two mentalities which divide the Church.
On the one hand, we have a practice which is connected both to the reciting of 150 psalms and to the vision of St Dominic. It has evolved with the addition of the petition, and following fatima, the common but optional practice of addiing the Fatima prayer. But the basic structure of 150 hail Marys, divided into 15 mysteries divided into a trinity of joyful, sorrowful and glorious which so well reflect the experience of Catholic life remained unchanged for seven centuries.
On the other, you have the guys who always think they've got a better idea. So out goes the connection with the psalms, out goes the rosary hallowed by Marian revelation, and in comes a set of no doubt worthy meditations, designed by enthusiasts to make sense of the gap in Jesus' ministry perceived in the original mysteries. Of course the Pope who introduced them beatified the man who thought them up. Of course they are optional. But somehow, one more aspect of the old faith has been pushed out of the doorway, and one more division of the church ushered in.
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