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@CatholicCo200 @_OKJ__ Take it as you wish, but can you deny that it's one natural consequence of your belief that hell should be empty?

@sonichris98 @_OKJ__ Is this supposed to be some kind of cheap shot?

One question I always ask Christians that I have never gotten any reasonable answer for is … If heaven involves perfect, unending happiness for the “saved”, how is it possible for them to experience that joy while retaining full knowledge of…and genuine love for…people they cared about who are were never saved and are suffering eternal torment in hell? Alternatively, if God erases or suppresses those memories to preserve heavenly bliss, does this not compromise the authenticity of the personal identity of the “saved …and the very notion of a perfectly loving and just deity who’s willing to erase people’s memory of their own loved one? These aren’t mundane questions.

@l33tg4m3r4lif3 @cpchambe @GigaBasedDad So if it's beyond God, it exists independent of him or any particular deity. Thus God wouldn't be necessary to explain morality; if anything, any morality that should come out of him is a subjective one.

@sonichris98 @cpchambe @GigaBasedDad Yes I view morality as an actual part of reality not something that we came up with out of nowhere.

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@AWAH185557 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ In other words, it has never been about causation. You've just never stopped to actually understand.

@AWAH185557 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ No. To know that something will happen is to say that nothing else could possibly happen in its place. Thus, no free will.

@AWAH185557 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ Not like you can show me such phenomena do exist, so...

@sonichris98 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ Like I always say, you ain't here for answers whatsoever. It's arrogance and God tier pride to ignore the existence of a phenomenon beyond your comprehension.

@ApoloJedi_ And things will still be true or false.

@sonichris98 If evolution were true, NOTHING matters

Belief in evolution causes people to justify all kinds of deplorable behavior Believing that people are essentially just animals leads to treating people as animals

@CatholicCo200 @_OKJ__ And you want to put the kids in the same room as him.

@sonichris98 @_OKJ__ Forgiveness is good for the soul

@AWAH185557 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ Then it's impossible for me to choose anything else, lest that "knowledge" be wrong. And what do you claim science to say about it?

@sonichris98 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ This is wrong. Even science is against this. This fundamentally against the being of God and lack of comprehension isnt a rebuttal against God or freewill. Time runs out for all of us. God being our beginning and our end thus already knows all the decisions you will take.

@CatholicCo200 @_OKJ__ Then I hope it isn't. What alternative do you propose for those unborn, unimplanted babies when Epstein exists in the same place?

@sonichris98 @_OKJ__ I would like to believe that hell is empty of human souls

@CatholicCo200 @_OKJ__ So it can be too late to choose hell?

@sonichris98 @_OKJ__ Too late means you made an eternal choice, with full knowledge. God will not overwrite your dignity.

@AWAH185557 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ So when exactly did he make that decision? Before he was born?

@sonichris98 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ God is beyond all that. He doesn't see pattern. He is outside our system of time and he knows all the choices we would make. The ability to make that choice never left. He knew Judas would betray him because from his view Judas already did. You cannot outsmart God lol

@AWAH185557 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ Not knowledge. You don't "know" the things I'm going to do the same way you know things I have already done.

@sonichris98 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ Knowing an outcome has nothing to do with Influencing that Outcome. For us, sometimes, I just know this is definitely what will happen because it's how it always does for you. God already knows everything becomes he is the beginning and is the end. So literally already saw it all

@AWAH185557 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ Foreknowledge is not prediction; if anything prediction implies the lack of actual knowledge. As I said, inference is not knowledge.

@sonichris98 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ Yes truly there is no other option but this doesn't eliminate free will. When you predict an action accurately from behavioral patterns of living beings, does it mean they have no free will just because you accurately predicted what they will do from their consistent patterns?

@AWAH185557 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ No. If I'm free to make decisions, then no one can know what decision I have yet to make. One can infer, but that's not knowledge.

@sonichris98 @CryptoSmithX @_OKJ__ 1. You are coming at this wrongly. Foreknowledge and cause ain't the same. God who sits outside time definitely has seen every decision we will make. Yeah it does feel like, well, then it Eliminates choice but it doesn't. You make your decisions but supreme one already knows it

@Pathfinder4545 @McClureShawn Which I actually don't. You're just in denial of that.

@sonichris98 @McClureShawn You know God is. That implicitly states that there is a mechanism by which you know God is. You know God is.

No system of rigorous, logically-strict inquiry can prove the negative of an unfalsifiable, untestable, undefined positive claim. The fact that Christians unironically ask questions like the one below is the first indication that they know jack shit about either science or logic.

@Pathfinder4545 @McClureShawn Tell me how exactly, then.

@sonichris98 @McClureShawn Of course it does.

@Pathfinder4545 @McClureShawn It does not.

@sonichris98 @McClureShawn What I said absolutely answers that question. You know God is.

@Pathfinder4545 @McClureShawn I don't. Even you believe, at most. And that doesn't answer the question of whether a method is available.

@sonichris98 @McClureShawn You know God is.

@Pathfinder4545 @McClureShawn Now, is there a way to verify that a living god does exist here and now, the same way you can verify that a car does reflect mostly the wavelength we know as "red"?

@Pathfinder4545 @McClureShawn Neither were you.