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UBI requires no such state. UBI could be entirely fulfilled through a fixed percentile inflation of a mutually agreed upon FIAT currency. I advocate for a 2.5% of the total monetary supply distributed across citizens equally and periodically. yes 99% of UBI advocates advocate through taxation but they are morally and as economicly as wrong as the federal reserve which steals wealth from all and diverts it to the banks and government.

Access to capital would be solved by voluntary labor, free banking, mutual credit societies, and unhampered markets, which is exactly what states destroy with inflation, regulation, and welfare. UBI requires a coercive state to tax individuals in order to be implemented however, and doesn't create capital; rather it consumes it, which is completely juxtaposed to AnCap philosophy and libertarianism.

The blue button red button thing has made me realize how many leftists really do genuinely just don't understand things.

Exile. As an anarchists I advocate strongly for Exile as a punishment from term exiles at the county level to permanent Exile at the federal level. If you can't play by the few rules of a Libertarian society you can play in the wild. Also you can pre-emptively ban bad actors. (like anyone who was friendly with Epstein)

What exactly is the libertarian response to crime and punishment in this case, exactly? Is it a lynch mob? Is it a private company who gets to decide? Help me out here.

@_Hazardous_Wolf @Brilliand__ @MentisWave go ahead explain how capitalism functions without access to capital...

@HppoTweeter @Brilliand__ @MentisWave You're a UBI advocate, you can't call yourself an AnCap if you support UBI.

"See you in Valhalla." -FBI director youtu.be/NS8vv8snK6A?si…

If you had 100% blue voters you wouldn't need government, Anarchy would be the result. Government exists to monopolize force of the sovereign against the individualistic counter social actors of society. Anarchy has no need for government becuase either all actors are cooperative or all actors are capable of use of force against bad actors. Mad Max isn't Anarchy it's Fuedalism, from Barter town to Bullet farm.

If you are in a complete anarchy, you vote red because there is no such thing as human species being in such a scenario— animals would all vote red.

If most people wouldn’t vote blue we would literally never have ascended to civilization but would have remained animals.

@Brilliand__ @_Hazardous_Wolf @MentisWave This is why I "hoppe"d straight over libertarian and moved to AnCap from conservative. No true Scotsman destroys Libertarian parties at the start.

@_Hazardous_Wolf @HppoTweeter @MentisWave Sure, let's go all-in on not being able to defend ourselves. 🤦

@Brilliand__ @MentisWave Libertarians are not able to defend land or public office. you are correct.

@MentisWave You're a red-presser, I take it? I interpreted blue as "unite with others to fight off a threat that you could not defeat alone". If you're not able to do that, then you're not able to hold land.

@le_polisson @MentisWave Libertarians genuinely cannot understand social cohesion. It's why they can never mantain a political base. Leftists may pretend not understand things because it would cause cognitive discomfort, but Libertarians genuinely cannot understand some things.

@MentisWave Blue button wins across the political spectrum.

@maximumpain333 "Do we have time for me to put on pants? or will I not need pants?"

Every decade you add another

@hacylhacyl @clockworksDream But have you watched this one enough

@clockworksDream Probably seen this meme a hundred million times by now but

"if everyone pressed the red button nobody would die" what if everyone pressed blue then. By that logic.

@VSClive @CousinUniversal @JThornbull @waitbutwhy If blue doesn't achieve >50%. Then civilization collapses because stock brokers and CEOs make terrible farmers. The male to female ratio becomes 5 to 1. The social order of high trust society relies on type of person who would pick "Blue", the social contract of Somalia is red

@CousinUniversal @HppoTweeter @JThornbull @waitbutwhy However, if you don't achieve that total success, every blue press is one more death and every red press is one less death. The margin is much lower yes but I still don't think you get anywhere near it in a real scenario.

Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?

@micheevs5 If it were only libertarians who pressed red the numbers wouldn't be so close on tim's poll.

Нажимая синюю кнопку, ты в худшем случае умрёшь. Нажимая красную, ты останешься жить в обществе либертарианцев.

More than 89 million chose none of the above and did not cast a ballot an additional 61 million were ineligible to vote. Combine that with the number of people who voted Harris 75 million and you have over 65% of this country that didn't vote for Trump. The button question requires 100% participation, if our elections required 100% participation None of the above would have won the majority vote.

@Whoknow11057418 half this country voted for trump i do not like those odds

this one is actually really interesting because it's not even the prisoner's dilemma as it has a guaranteed "safe" outcome. this whole thing hinges on the fact that like, babies can't understand what they are doing but they still have to vote and they could easily kill themselves

It's rather consistent with the motivation of self sacrifice. She wants her friends and family to press red and have guaranteed safety, she is not willing to pressure them into risking their own lives on her assumption that humanity with her cooperation will pick blue. If she is correct she gets to live. If she was wrong her friends and family don't die and have less guilt about pushing the red button. it shows that her confidence that more than 50% of the world would choose blue isn't high enough for her to endorse those she cares about risking their lives. Imagine a world where politicians spent your tax money as if it was from their own bank account and not from your pocket. That's her mindset, that's the mindset that can't navigate politics and get elected but it's the mindset you want in a politician.

@oliveegger Heya, Red button pusher: Not everyone. I understand why people would like to push blue, and that's a personal choice for them. But your own outlook is VERY confusing.

Why are the red pushers in my replies so mean and hostile lol

@wbic16 @CraftingVegeto Those that try are censored from history.

@CraftingVegeto if the scenario were real, the correct answer is to stop the criminal mastermind and dismantle his death machine.

Okay, so after thinking about this red blue button dilemma for hours, here is where I landed lol At first glance, the correct pragmatic answer is obviously red. You survive no matter what. That part is still 100 percent true. Red is the logical self preservation move. You do not die no matter what the others do. But once you think deeper, you realize that blue actually has a strong moral and collective argument. Blue only needs "just" over 50 percent to save literally everyone, while red basically needs 100 percent for no one to die. So blue is the gamble that gives humanity the best shot at universal survival with the lowest bar. At the same time, tons of people are emotional as hell, not logical or pragmatic, and sadly a lot are straight up virtue signaling kings. That means there is a real chance we end up in that dangerous 40 to 49 percent blue zone where billions die and society collapses anyway. Even the survivors probably would not survive long after that. Good job everyone. So yeah, red is the logical self preservation move, and blue is the more morally correct gamble to try and save everyone. Both sides have a solid point. Having that said... Everyone on Twitter furiously shitting on the other side is an idiot. Blues calling reds selfish monsters are idiots. Reds who cannot even see the collective blue argument are idiots too. But here is the most important part imho. All of this is bullshit. This is just a Twitter thought experiment where everything is easy and fake. If this was real life, an actual button in front of you, and pressing the wrong one means you actually die, everything changes. Heart rate at 180, adrenaline spiking, shitting your pants. I firmly believe there is near 0 percent chance blue gets over 50 percent in a real scenario, which I am not saying is a good thing. All the virtue signaling idiots on the internet would secretly press red in a heartbeat. Sure, some actual idealists who care about the collective more than pure survival would still press blue, and sadly they would die. In a real terrifying dystopian situation like that, red is the only solution, and it sucks.

becuase the only scenario where no one dies is that "everyone will just" pick red. Suicidal people might pick blue thinking that it'll be a painless death and affirm their view that the world is filled with a majority of self interested assholes. Knowing there is a non zero number of people who will pick blue for whatever reason. The only way to garuntee everyone survives is 50.000001% of people to risk their lives, on the assumption that humanity is majority community centered, and pick blue.

@waitbutwhy The choice is obviously red. Why are people choosing blue?

@soggycinnamons @minordissent As a Cynic graduate from the barrel of Diogenes, I take offense. I voted Blue to maximize the suffering of the suicidal.

@minordissent Picking blue is simple. Everyone survives. The entire problem comes from the Red button even existing, to preserve yourself, and tally against Everyone Surviving. To vote blue is to risk yourself to save everyone from the cynics that vote Red.

Just FYI blue votes think the question is “would you put your life at risk to save the lives of others?”. They genuinely lack the intellectual capacity to comprehend what it’s actually asking.

Imo, most of Team Blue totally understands Red's arguments, but they disagree with the framing or assumptions. otoh, most Red-pushers I've interacted cannot really articulate what the Blue position is. So they knock down a straw man. The replies to this post will prove it.

Reality is too much for the red pills they stuck in their losing "low risk" hypotheticals