Sam || Crafting Vegeto

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@CraftingVegeto Yikes, a nihilist. You're the worst type of fence-sitter. It's even sadder that you still chose wrong despite posturing about how stupid the question is, what a piece of shit.

Okay, so after thinking about this red blue button dilemma for hours, here is where I landed lol At first glance, the correct pragmatic answer is obviously red. You survive no matter what. That part is still 100 percent true. Red is the logical self preservation move. You do not die no matter what the others do. But once you think deeper, you realize that blue actually has a strong moral and collective argument. Blue only needs "just" over 50 percent to save literally everyone, while red basically needs 100 percent for no one to die. So blue is the gamble that gives humanity the best shot at universal survival with the lowest bar. At the same time, tons of people are emotional as hell, not logical or pragmatic, and sadly a lot are straight up virtue signaling kings. That means there is a real chance we end up in that dangerous 40 to 49 percent blue zone where billions die and society collapses anyway. Even the survivors probably would not survive long after that. Good job everyone. So yeah, red is the logical self preservation move, and blue is the more morally correct gamble to try and save everyone. Both sides have a solid point. Having that said... Everyone on Twitter furiously shitting on the other side is an idiot. Blues calling reds selfish monsters are idiots. Reds who cannot even see the collective blue argument are idiots too. But here is the most important part imho. All of this is bullshit. This is just a Twitter thought experiment where everything is easy and fake. If this was real life, an actual button in front of you, and pressing the wrong one means you actually die, everything changes. Heart rate at 180, adrenaline spiking, shitting your pants. I firmly believe there is near 0 percent chance blue gets over 50 percent in a real scenario, which I am not saying is a good thing. All the virtue signaling idiots on the internet would secretly press red in a heartbeat. Sure, some actual idealists who care about the collective more than pure survival would still press blue, and sadly they would die. In a real terrifying dystopian situation like that, red is the only solution, and it sucks.

@twittwose Damn... That's actually pretty interesting

@CraftingVegeto Again, the actual moral move is not just to refuse to participate, but to actively fight to stop it. Any moralisation of Blue is performative signalling, including your response here.

@battjonesuk I think I might have failed miserably then 🤣

@CraftingVegeto I hate to tell you this but the true test is whether or not you think more than 5 minutes about it lol

@DankLordNeato LMAO FAIR POINT

@CraftingVegeto Over 51% of the worlds population is China and India, if you press the blue button you’re gonna perish

@Neosonic97 @JohnCon89879921 Wow that's actually a very interesting thought

@JohnCon89879921 @CraftingVegeto The big issue is (assuming everybody is behaving logically in this instance), the _very first_ blue vote is selfish by effectively making the suicide game start to begin with.

@RedMuneTV That does change things significantly. Not in terms of moral points but just in terms of math

@CraftingVegeto What if you only need 10% of the world to press blue? 5%?

@Long_shankers You know what, that's also fair

@CraftingVegeto This isn't a collectivist issue. I'm a collectivist. I'd press Red. This isn't progress, it's not better wage or reforms. It's following the herd into self-annhilation for no reason at all with no benefit. It's like joining a pointless war just because others signed up.

@St33lMouse Exactly 💯

@CraftingVegeto I came to the exact same conclusion. If the gun were actually at your head, it would be very hard to pick blue, knowing 8 billion people would be just as scared. But when trust is high and the group small, blue is easy. A marine unit, a church, a mission to mars.

Red is the strictly dominant strategy—press it and you survive no matter what the group does. Blue only works if enough people coordinate on collective survival, which is a huge ask in a real high-stakes scenario where fear kicks in. Your breakdown nails it: the moral appeal of blue is real on paper, but in practice most would hedge with red anyway. The thought experiment exposes how quickly "save everyone" collapses under self-preservation. Solid take.

Yo @grok what do you think of this

@wbic16 The best take so far 🤣

@CraftingVegeto if the scenario were real, the correct answer is to stop the criminal mastermind and dismantle his death machine.

@OBX_Pirate LOOL fair enough haha

@CraftingVegeto Agree with everything you wrote except for the last three words.

@Banjowhiskey @cbiemiller True! I mentioned in a different reply that I made the assumption that parents or guardians would vote for those who can't, like children. I should have mentioned it in the original post!

@cbiemiller @CraftingVegeto Great point! Assume they have to vote & it is cast somehow, there will be innocents in both camps. If the ‘have to’ does not apply & they don’t vote, they die along with blue based on the prompt. If that is clearly shown blue saves all babies, it pushes rational people to blue

@kekoa_keawe I should have mentioned that I made the assumption that parents or guardians would vote for those who can't, like children. Otherwise I really get your point

@CraftingVegeto Really great job. You somehow spent this much time thinking about this pretend scenario but by definition "every human" includes babies toddlers and children. Most parents would choose blue in a heart beat for their kids. No one should be defending red.

@joe_rice_ That's a good twist actually

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