Goat Cheese
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If you press blue, the worst case is you die.
If you press red, the worst case is you took part in an action that killed just under half of humanity.
Clicking blue minimizes the worst-case moral injury.
It says you’d rather die than risk contributing to the death of another.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@ItalianChud @EiratheIntern @frontierism Frankly I have to just dismiss you as too stupid for the conversation if you think that hunting metaphor doesnt map onto the button at all...
Peace out
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There might never be a better use of the heatmap. Pressing blue (the suicide button) is virtue signaling for literal third world bots. If everyone presses red, everyone lives. Incredible philosophical debate happening on The Everything App
just matt@questionableway
red is an unbelievably phenomenally disgustingly selfish decision and i do not have theory of mind for anyone who would choose it
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@Amyisthebomb @uubzu @GrammarTsar Go far enough up the chain and you'll find the male superiors who were still running the joint.
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@uubzu @GrammarTsar Not all jobs but quite a few. The men were gone you dumb ass.
My own Grandmother worked in a chemical plant during the war. She was a chemist.
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Every woman in the workforce could quit with zero notice and within three months total productivity would be up
If every man in the workforce did that, within three months millions would be dead
Polymarket@Polymarket
JUST IN: Women now have the majority of W2 jobs in the US.
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@BobMurphyEcon Blue is just the "signal that I'm a good lib" button, and the magic is that you don't even need to press it. You just need to talk about pressing it.
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@NCyotee Vote to stay alive so you can help care for all the orphans of the idiots who chose blue and left their kids to fend for themselves.
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Yes, if this scenario somehow include children voting, then yes, you obviously choose blue.
That would be divergent enough from standard voting to warrant a mention in the scenario.
But sure, if children and retarded are voting, then yes, you need to vote blue to protect them from themselves.
moneybren@moneybren_nz
@NCyotee If you take into account the survival of your children, choosing red does contain risk. But the correct answer is still red.
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@BarneyFlames Idk if the game theory even comes in for these people. They just clock that blue is the lib choice and that's as far as the reasoning goes.
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This analysis is wrong imo, actual normies are just going to think "red does nothing and blue might kill me" and just go for red. Its midwits who misunderstood game theory and instead of understanding nash equilibrium they just registered "doing the lib sacrifice thing is good".
Aleph@woke8yearold
The red button vs blue button hypothetical is tailor made to create flame wars between average people who vibe the answer and anyone into decision theory It’s boring in that way, always creates the same argument
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@favelaoverlord I can't go back to panda express after what happened last time
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There is a red button and a blue button. If you press the red button everyone who relentlessly debates stupid button hypotheticals instantly dies. If you press the blue button they still all die, but you also get a $50 Panda Express gift card.
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@Logo_Daedalus C'mon dude just drink this cup of arsenic. What are you some kinda pussy?
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@CinemaWinner @McTicN Remember when Hillary was like +75 points to win? That was quite the poll.
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@McTicN I get that it’s a twitter poll and nothing is risked but everyone keeps saying this while blue is still winning.
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It’s simple to me. If you believe 100% of people will pick red, pick red. If you believe even 1 person will pick blue, you should pick blue. I think >50% will know the second is the actual reality and they’ll pick blue.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@SharpChris33772 @EiratheIntern @frontierism Like you would ever risk anything to fight a wild animal lmao
Dumb metaphor anyway, doesn't even map on to the buttons.
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@MitraHispana @breakingbaht "Haha I bet you don't even get LAID lmao"
This is the only insult women have
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@breakingbaht You sound like a man for whom women have no problem telling NO 😂
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It should be an immediate red flag that a lot of these "blue button" weirdos are women.
We can either keep making his mistake or figure this out.
Eventually, you have to understand women will lead all of existence into a obliteration for absolutely no reason other than their own need to feel good.
You either tell them no at some point, or you die. That's the choice.
Mitra Hispana@MitraHispana
@breakingbaht Cope. You pushed the selfish coward button and got egg on your face. 😂
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@waitbutwhy "Profess blue but actually choose red because I'm both vain and a coward" would end up being a significant category
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The best way to piss off both the “blue because I’m a good person” and “red because I’m a smart person” crowds is to explain that you’re a “red because I’m a coward” person
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Suddenly standing alone in the room, I begin by imagining humanity banding together and blue winning in a landslide, and I feel a rush of pride. Red is the genocide button. Blue is the “save humanity from this nightmare” button. I know what kind of person I am. As my hand hovers over the blue button, I can’t help but imagine a gun pointing at my head with a bullet in one of the chambers. I feel a surge of fear shoot through my body. Then I think about all the other people staring at the blue button and thinking the same thing. Surely some of those who initially decided to press blue will succumb to the fear. It starts to feel like a gun with two loaded chambers. A stronger pulse of terror. The more I think about it, the more I worry about other people thinking about it. My heart races. Then I look at the red button—a gun with no bullets in it. A glorious feeling of relief washes over me. Will I hate myself forever if blue wins because enough others were better and braver than me? But don’t I owe it to my family to protect myself? One vote won’t change anything anyway, right? It’s all irrelevant because the mammal I live in has already made up its mind. I wince and press red.
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@SharpChris33772 @EiratheIntern @frontierism I am engaging with the dilemma. I'm pressing red.
You'd rather I risk suicide, and you're using the mass suicide of others to guilt me into it.
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@ItalianChud @EiratheIntern @frontierism Such a lame excuse to not engage with the dilemma. The manipulation component is baked into the situation. Its not being applied by me or any other blue voter.
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@ItalianChud @EiratheIntern @frontierism You better press blue or else millions to billions of people WILL die (unless blue without your vote). Cry and bitch about manipulation and abuse to the cosmic aliens that put humanity in the situation.
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It’s assuming that the blue/red discourse so similarly follows political discourse
blue’s -> you’re all immoral!
red’s -> you’re all retarded!
MrMouton@MrMouton
If you're a red button pusher you're not worthy of moral consideration.
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@udiWertheimer @bensaved The question is uninteresting because it's trivial to predict what will happen.
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@bensaved i don’t think the question is very interesting if everyone knows it’s coming. obviously if you can plan ahead of time things should settle on close to 100% red
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almost nobody who has children would press red unless they know for an absolute fact that their kids pressed red
if you think there’s even a 5% chance your kids pressed blue, you will risk your life to improve their odds even by a tiny bit
to take this a step further most women are probably hard-wired to press blue as a motherly instinct anyway, even if they have no children. so at minimum you have a 25% baseline for blue right there, which completely tips the odds
so i think blue actually wins by a landslide if this was the real world and not a social media app for incels
in other words humanity always had the biological programming to ensure blue wins
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@udiWertheimer funny bc i would have once pressed blue but now i’m a mother my immediate response was “hell nah,” and i pressed red.
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@udiWertheimer You are orders of magnitude more likely to orphan a red-pressing child by choosing blue than you are to save a blue-pressing child by pressing red.
I understand the sentiment, but it's a fallacy. You think you are helping when you're just gambling your life away for nothing.
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Why would anyone just not press red lmao. What would make you go there and be like “yeah I’m gonna play this crazy game and risk it all by pressing blue?” Why? Why would you do that
Aella@Aella_Girl
im confused by people saying the right answer is pressing red. the good outcomes are 51% of ppl press blue OR 100% of people press red. the second is obvs way less likely
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