Jesse Michels@AlchemyAmerican
🚨 BREAKING: Two of the most technically qualified scientists to ever engage with the UFO mystery sat down together for the first time: Dr. Eric Davis, astrophysics PhD who formally investigated the crash retrieval program through classified government channels and Dr. Eric Weinstein (@EricRWeinstein), Harvard math PhD and founder of physics theory, Geometric Unity. Davis confirms that he personally interviewed 5 direct crash retrieval program employees at two legacy aerospace companies (one being TRW, acquired by Northrop) and that the United States holds between 10 and 40 UFOs in its direct possession. He also describes discussing UFOs with George H.W. Bush directly and Jimmy Carter getting briefed on the subject. Finally, Davis says the program only consists of Aerospace engineers. Weinstein's response: if these craft of non-human origin defy the laws of physics, you need top theoretical physicists on the program. Weinstein says either the people running it are criminally incompetent or there are no craft. Sparks flew.🚨
This is the conversation I have been trying to make happen for years. Eric Davis is one of the most credentialed investigator of the UFO crash retrieval program alive with an eidetic memory. Astrophysics PhD from the University of Arizona, 30 years in the field, security clearances through AAWSAP, formally deputized by the DIA under program manager James Lacatski (who himself claims he has stepped inside a UFO and breached the hull). Eric Weinstein is one of the most technically gifted minds outside the classified world, someone Davis himself identified as one of only three people technical and heterodox enough to engage with this material. I put them in a room and let them go at it. This conversation was nothing short of historic.
Bombshell Details:
Davis Says Roswell Was Real and He Confirmed It Officially:
Davis traces his investigation to 1996 at Robert Bigelow's NIDS. Astronaut Ed Mitchell told him Admiral Thomas Wilson, then J2 on the Joint Chiefs, independently verified the 1947 Corona crash was a real non-human craft. Davis later used his DIA credentials through AAWSAP to reach the programmatic level of the operation. His conviction: 100%. Weinstein says he has talked to too many credible people to dismiss it, but has never seen one piece of incontrovertible proof.
Davis Interviewed Program Workers. None Were Physicists:
Davis met five people from one legacy aerospace company on the program. A material scientist who spent two decades on it. A TRW source who ran the SCIF at Wright-Patterson with access to intact craft in a secured hangar. Not one of Grusch's 40 firsthand witnesses is a theoretical physicist. Davis confirms none of his contacts were either. Weinstein compares this to performing Beethoven's Fifth with accountants and boxers.
Eight Decades of Reverse Engineering. Zero Results:
Davis's senior VP source confirmed no functional progress after eight decades. They could see how craft were constructed at the nanoscale. Could not reproduce any of it. Davis asked: where are your physicists? Answer: we never had any. Weinstein calls this a two-line proof. If it defies the laws of physics and you have no physicists, you are either the dumbest operation in history or there is nothing to reverse engineer.
Weinstein Tells Davis His Physics Won't Work:
Davis has published on warp drives and traversable wormholes within general relativity. Weinstein tells him directly: none of it will work. Davis accepts this. Weinstein says if craft break known physics, the answer is not squeezing exotic scenarios out of Einstein. The answer is Einstein is incomplete. Davis agrees. The debate becomes a collaboration.
The Golden Age of Gravity Research Vanished in the 1970s:
Weinstein identifies a 1971 Australian intelligence document naming physicists like Arnowitt, Desser, Dyson, and Oppenheimer in what reads like a Manhattan Project for Gravity and exotic propulsion. Two apparent cutouts funded work through Bryce DeWitt at UNC and Lewis Witten at a facility called RIAS inside the Martin Company. Sheldon Glashow and Solomon Lefschitz worked there. Then the trail goes cold. Davis noticed the same disappearance in graduate school. No one had an answer.
String Theory as a Weapon Against Frontier Physics:
After a Princeton junior designed a working atomic weapon from public sources, theoretical physics became too dangerous to leave in the open. String theory consumed the field. 42 years, zero experimental predictions. The Biden White House told Andreessen and Horowitz directly that entire areas of physics were classified in the nuclear era. Davis says he always thought string theory's dominance and the absence of physicists on the crash retrieval program were connected. Weinstein agrees.
Weinstein Finds Gravity Hidden in the Strong Nuclear Force:
Lazar's "gravity wave A" claim sounds like garbage. Weinstein treats it as garbled proximity information. He identifies a formal possibility: the theta term from QCD, based on the Pontriagin class, transgresses to a Chern-Simons functional: the closest known Lagrangian to Einstein-Hilbert, which governs gravity. Davis calls it remarkable. Weinstein believes this is the first time the connection has been stated publicly.
Renaissance Technologies as the Possible Physics Brain Trust:
If a secret physics program exists, track where frontier physicists cluster. Renaissance Technologies hires differential geometers and topologists. Sits next to Brookhaven National Lab. Draws from SUNY Stony Brook, where C.N. Yang was based. Returns resemble state-sponsored performance. Weinstein told Jim Simons before his death that Chern-Simons theory is the closest Lagrangian to Einstein-Hilbert. Simons invited him to Stony Brook for a year, then asked where he would find the funding. He was worth over $20 billion.
The Wilson-Davis Notes Are Confirmed Authentic:
Davis confirms the typewritten notes are real, legitimate, and 100% accurate. They describe former J2 Admiral Wilson being denied access to a crash retrieval program inside a private aerospace company funded from his own DIA budget. He was told he lacked need-to-know and met with Davis out of frustration. Davis wants blanket immunity to say everything about this meeting but confirms the notes are real.
Why This Matters:
These two arrive from opposite directions and land on the same problem. Davis has total certainty non-human craft exist in American possession. Weinstein cannot construct a single theory that explains the full landscape of claims and missing evidence. Both say the absence of theoretical physicists is indefensible. Davis wants access to the hardware. Weinstein wants the right minds inserted. The question Davis asks: let us in. The question Weinstein asks is sharper: if you will not let physicists in, what exactly are you protecting?
Full conversation covers all of this and much more. Special thanks to @MinuteofZombie for co-hosting! One of the most important episodes we have ever done live now 👇
