@CascadiaWinters @ltfloch @AbeLopezAuthor Could be. it's more forgiving. Don't think id choose red. But I think I'd be indifferent to the out come.
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Ion Know شامل ہوئے Temmuz 2022
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@ClockWorkChrono @ltfloch @AbeLopezAuthor So if I Red is controlled by Tzeentch, I think the whole button exercise was a scam.
So what if the scam is actually the Blue does not die, but they follow the Red around and endlessly moralize until Red loses her marbles? That would be much more fitting, no?
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Rational people know intrinsically that everyone should press red, it eliminates any question of anyone dying
Irrational (emotionally-driven) people will be compelled to press blue because “it’s the right thing to do”
And the more you try to convince them otherwise the more they’ll dig in
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@CascadiaWinters @ltfloch @AbeLopezAuthor You just become death incarnate with kitchen knife 😂 with an innate sense for who pressed blue and an insatiable urge to kill them
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@ClockWorkChrono @ltfloch @AbeLopezAuthor What compels you from not just walking away? Are you imprisoned until you do it? What compels you to execute the blue?
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@lymanstoneky Cooperation the requires 100% percent engagement to succeed vs Cooperation that requires 51% engagement to succeed, both lead to the golden age of man kind. Pick one.
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PRESSING THE BLUE BUTTON IS NOT COOPERATING!!
Pressing the blue button is defecting in an attempt to a murder-suicide pact for half of humans!
Derek Pederson 🇺🇸🇺🇦🇻🇪@DerekPederson3
Honestly this survey is an enormously strong cutting point against both right-libertarian economic views and "offensive realist" foreign policy views. The world just does not correspond to their beliefs about how it "should" work from theory. People are too damn cooperative!
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@CascadiaWinters @ltfloch @AbeLopezAuthor I guess you can pick a hand held weapon too. No firearms though.
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@CascadiaWinters @ltfloch @AbeLopezAuthor You pressed a button and now somehow the the effect has to manifest. It's manifest by having those who press red kill those who press blue.
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@t_montani @tgenov @gfodor How much different is it. Everyone lives button (blue) , all blues die button (red)
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@neil_chilson The problem you don't get to tell them. You just have to guess what they pick.
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When I told my wife about this game she asked something I haven’t heard at all in the discourse: how would you tell our kids (ours are under 7) to vote?
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@lymanstoneky Look y'all, someone found out that framing and context matters.
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No, because in the non-button versions red always wins!
That’s what blue team doesn’t understand— the entire blue victory is contingent on *the specific detail of it being a button*
Make it a woodchipper or a nuke or a drowning tank or any actually lethal object and red wins by a landslide!
Which suggests most blue voters are full of shit and lying about their beliefs!
peepeepoopoo@DeepDishEnjoyer
here's the last thing i'll say about the red/blue button debate. we now know that when polling ended, blue ended up winning. knowing this, isn't one going around trying to convince people to vote red unethical? absent of this proselytizing, people believe in a high trust society
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@KalebDimes @VitoComedy Literally not a possible outcome. Humans have literally never 100 percent agreed pn anything so why stake other lives on 100 percent agreeing when i can stake my own life on just half the population agreeing
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@VitoComedy Literally everyone survives if 100% press the red button lmao
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Why would everyone not press the red button...?
Pressing the red button is so obvious that I kind of want everyone who presses the blue button to die for being stupid.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@VitoComedy Because kids will be choosing too. They're going to choose the blue button because it literally says everyone lives. Or they might just like the color. Either way there's no reason not collectively hit blue unless you want people to die.
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@warriormortal @AbeLopezAuthor And you're picking all blues die. Gotcha. With no thoughts on who it could be how this affects the world.
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@ClockWorkChrono @AbeLopezAuthor Those aren't the options. Statistically, many people you love will choosing blue. "If everybody would just"
Again without any fluff, the potential outcomes are:
Red maj: All blues die
Blue maj: Nobody dies
Theory and practice are different. We'll do second-order effects next.
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@ltfloch @CascadiaWinters @AbeLopezAuthor so in this scenario if you have to go kill those who pressed blue yourself are still going to press red?
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@ClockWorkChrono @CascadiaWinters @AbeLopezAuthor Only people who press the "gamble your life" button die. Thus, the "gamble your life" button is what kills them.
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@BigBenInLondon @AlwaysWrightDM @minordissent But there's so gun to your head. You could save everyone including yourself, or choose an unprecedented amount of people to be executed because it means you specifically will survive. Kids, family, friends, co workers all up for grabs assuming blue isn't the majority.
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@AlwaysWrightDM @minordissent Nearly half?
You vastly underestimate self preservation.
In a Twitter poll people are safe to be altruistic.
Gun to their head, we'd probably see 90% red.
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Just FYI blue votes think the question is “would you put your life at risk to save the lives of others?”. They genuinely lack the intellectual capacity to comprehend what it’s actually asking.
David Shor@davidshor
We asked this to a large sample of nationally representative Americans - blue wins by a 3:1 margin!
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@DarkSwordSpam @CapitalCrashout @minordissent It's not to save individuals. It preserve all of humanity. Yes, everyone could press red but that's not a realistic expectation for in order for everyone to survive. You've got paths to maintain humanity everyone live, or decide those that want everyone to live need to go.
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@Shooooooobie @CapitalCrashout @minordissent 100 percent of humanity has never agreed on anything. Not even facts. So it's either you press everyone lives or increase the chances that mases of people die. Only two options.
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@t_montani @tgenov @gfodor It's literally not. Their actually described as everyone lives (blue) or those that pressed blue will die(red). And if those who picked red had to go kill those who pressed blue, you'd be signing up for it.
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@tgenov @t_montani @gfodor The blue button is literally "everyone lives" and metaphorically assuming people just press it. And then you have the red but that might as well say "every time im pressed the chances of an unpredictable amount of dying increases"
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@tgenov @t_montani @gfodor If red requires 100 percent agreement from the entire globe and that's statically impossible: it's functionally the people will die button.
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@t_montani @tgenov @gfodor Because if you were unknowingly the last vote that's literally what it boils down to in this specific scenario.
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