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@BrianLRidings @Timodc @glukianoff Being "unpersoned" doesn't have to do with the severity of abuse. It's about systematic action taken by a community to mark someone as dangerous and exclude them. Lots of hostile mentions isn't the same as being put on a list of 'unsafe' people that circulates through a network.

@cannot_stop_ish @Timodc @glukianoff His point is he’s received enough opprobrium, slurs and threats to last several lifetimes, but he’s still person-ed. So, not so much a straw-man as a one-to-one comparison.

Hey Tim, I’m happy to be an ally on free speech issues. But I literally wrote a book about cancel culture, and I’m not going to participate in the collective amnesia surrounding what happened between 2014 and 2024. We can debate causes, consequences, scope, and definitions. What we can’t honestly do is pretend it never happened. a.co/d/0byOvETN

@Djengo44 @KyleKulinski In another editorial where they stopped short of explicitly endorsing Cuomo and very clearly acknowledged his sex scandal and noted "serious objections to his ethics and conduct." You can criticize the NYT without saying clearly false things, which is what Kyle is doing.

@cannot_stop_ish @KyleKulinski Damn it's almost as if he was being heavily pushed for a different position after this happened.

@SuperSmashjo @B17Fortres @KyleKulinski You can certainly argue it's implied by the framing, but they don't explicitly say that. Either way, you've shifted the goal post pretty wildly away from what the original post claims, which is false on multiple levels.

@cannot_stop_ish @B17Fortres @KyleKulinski

@SuperSmashjo @B17Fortres @KyleKulinski By posting a link to an editorial that doesn't say that?

@cannot_stop_ish @B17Fortres @KyleKulinski I literally just proved they said to vote against Zohran lmao

@SuperSmashjo @B17Fortres @KyleKulinski They didn't say that, either, even if you think it was implied by their framing. You keep saying false things.

@cannot_stop_ish @B17Fortres @KyleKulinski It is 100% true. They didn't say to vote against Cuomo, they said to vote against Zohran. Meaning they find his sex scandals not that important and Zohran supporting Palestine way worse lmao politico.com/newsletters/ne…

@SuperSmashjo @B17Fortres @KyleKulinski That's not true, and even if it were, it's not equivalent to memory holing the sex scandal, which they explicitly detailed and noted their "serious objections to his ethics and conduct."

@cannot_stop_ish @B17Fortres @KyleKulinski Their endorsement was "vote against Mamdani" which anyone with a brain can infer that meant vote Cuomo, since he was the only other viable candidate in the primary

@B17Fortres @KyleKulinski This isn't true.

@cannot_stop_ish @KyleKulinski forgetting they had a change of opinion in 2025

@JackInacker "Lemmie get this straight" is almost always a good signal that the commentator does not, in fact, have things straight.

So lemmie get this straight: Graham Platner wrote sexual texts to consenting women, *3 years* before he was a candidate, realized he fucked up, was honest about it, apologized to his wife, and then went to marriage counseling? This is why y’all are big mad?

@Timodc @glukianoff A straw man characterization, followed by a non-sequitur: “well, you should see the things that people say about me, a person whose job is to get into political fights online.”

@cannot_stop_ish @glukianoff a random person called her a predator ? look at my mentions every day lol. welcome to the thunderdome.

@Brendan_F_Wendt @CathyYoung63 @glukianoff Differentiating angst over Biden’s mental decline from political criticism is a bit too precious for my taste. But it's not defending or excusing Trump. Part of Kat’s point in this exchange is that calling insufficiently anti-Trump commentary Trump apologia is silly.

@cannot_stop_ish @CathyYoung63 @glukianoff For an example of sorts which, ah, hasn't aged well (I still follow Kat for the baseball and Connecticut humor, since I also live in southwestern CT):

@cenkuygur @grahamformaine @CoryBooker Establishment Democrats ultimately pressured Biden should step down and the same thing is happening here.

Democrats are now attacking @grahamformaine with no shame. Same Democrats who told us to "vote blue, no matter who" when it was to back establishment candidates are now stabbing Platner in the back. Why? Guys like @CoryBooker 100% work for Israel. That's who is organizing this.

@Timodc @glukianoff I mean, labeling someone a predator and putting them on a list of "unsafe" individuals because of a relatively minor political disagreement seems like it fits the Orwellian definition of "unperson" pretty well, within that specific context.

who are you arguing with? all of that can be true in parallel to the absurd victim culture that developed around this where people with massive audiences for their work use ludicrous hyperbole like “unpersoned” to describe what happened. I got dogpiled unfairly during this era! i was there. i just don’t cry about it publicly all the time for seal claps.

@CathyYoung63 @glukianoff @CathyYoung63, what's your best example of Kat being an apologist for Trump?

@glukianoff I agree that illiberal leftism shouldn't be minimized. But there are plenty of people who were canceled far worse than Kat who haven't gone Trump apologists

@dilanesper If we’re going to weigh *total deaths* resulting from the activity, there are some on the other side of the ledger . . .

here you are everyone. killing 10,000 people every year? less bad than rubbing genitals pleasurably in the wrong way.

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@moginstall @WSJ Just to be clear, this is false.

The wife of the Maine’s Democratic Senate candidate disclosed the texts between Platner and other women to his campaign. on.wsj.com/4wUyPKR

@ZaidJilani Just to be clear, what this guy said was false.

Now I feel dumb for even tweeting without reading the story x.com/moginstall/sta…

Sure but Graham should be loyal to his wife and work out any issues he has, that’s a character issue too

@steady_drumbeat @dilanesper @JeremyTColes @Cincinnatus56 Yes, but only politicians, and only the ones who share our politics! If a right-coded podcaster who we hate has a minor marital tiff with his wife, then we can speculate wildly about his wife cheating on him with his brother.

@JeremyTColes @dilanesper @Cincinnatus56 I will just repeat, we’d be a way healthier society if we stopped caring about our politicians sex lives. It’s a bizarre obsession which is a holdover from our puritan past and which most of the world does not share with us.

When Platner beats Collins in November a lot of people are going to forget they spent the close of May tweeting prudish neo-Victorian takes about sex. Just like all the people who expressed shock at blowjobs in 1998.

@ZaidJilani He was a war veteran and as a young medical student in the 90s he volunteered for a nonprofit that had ties to al-Qaeda. He also had a direct relationship with Abdel-Rahman. All of those things are true. Not clear why Frum would have to retract a true statement.

If Jeffrey Goldberg had any integrity he would demand Frum, his employee, retract this claim that a U.S. war veteran who saved Tammy Duckworths life is tied to Al Qaida. But if a chicken had shoes maybe it could moonwalk.