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@ligjerat @ytidentitarian Yes. although the pop labelling is bad... only one group was missing from my polak25 list.

@lezagacy @ytidentitarian 132 total samples? Does the V66 include Lazaridis’ PIE samples?

Decided to combine the Yamnaya Core samples on AADR v66 and calculate proportions. the UNHG/N admixed samples are almost entirely under I-M233.

@bjesley Yes.

@lezagacy Unrelated but are you Albanian?

@lezagacy More Turkey_N than chg ?

Some samples weren't on AADR or low cov so didn't include them for qpAdm, Here's a sheet of the co ords and raw outputs. pastebin.com/EuFGsgtP

@Dfire8801 @philosofveritas @IllyrianJ2bL283 Ignoring the slop arguements the implication for me is that there was a group north of NMD IA that had geneflow with Paenonians that is the pop we're looking for IA wise And it doesn't seem to be Cinamak. Perhaps Dardania proper? Also didn't Glinoe get a lot of matches?

@philosofveritas @IllyrianJ2bL283 Do you actually expect modern populations to share considerable amounts of IBD with populations from 3000 years ago? Anyways tell me where thracians are at.

Illyrian-Messapian Art from Apulia These artifacts belong to the Iapygians (Messapians, Peucetians, Daunians) – an ancient people with clear Illyrian origins. They migrated across the Adriatic Sea from the Balkans to southern Italy and maintained a distinct culture. 1. Messapian Bell Crater (4th century BC) from Roca – three veiled figures in the typical Messapian style. 2. Anthropomorphic Daunian Stele (c. 610–550 BC) – one of the finest examples of geometric Illyrian-Messapian art with meanders, hands, and symbols. 3. Peucetian Women in Chorea (a round dance) – Iapygian women were known for their magnificent traditional garments, headdresses, and jewelry with Illyrian influences. 4. Coin from Oria – one of the oldest Messapian cities. The front depicts Hercules (Heracles). The Messapians spoke Messapic, a distinct Indo-European language with strong connections to ancient Illyrian and Proto-Albanian. Their culture is closely related to the Illyrian peoples of the Balkans. A true Illyrian gem in Italy! #Illyrians #Messapians #Iapygers #Daunians #Messapic #Illyrian #AncientIllyria #BalkanRoots

@HeraldOfRome Did wasd pass you the Roman Serb average I made? Bare in mind I did ommit the Roman Greek and Levantine outliers in Viminacium for the most part.

Modelling the ancestry of the European-Med Jews using G25. Experiments with a few models. Ashkenazi Jews score around 22-23% ancient Levantine ancestry. European-Med Jews seem to have mainly mixed with the Hellenistic and Roman era Greeks of Italy and Greece-Anatolia rather than the Latin Italians. They don't even score much Urbino in other models, which represent the local Latin Italians of central Italy. Ashkenazi Jews have as much Levantine as they have North-Central or east European, so they are not just "European" genetically, they have both.

@CsfHighlan97034 I thought Basques were on par with Brits at a minimum or does this split WHG via EHG?

Total Western Hunter-Gatherer Admixture in Europe. Highest: Latvian.DG — 24.30%

@k0tuz @Kar_year_1785 @m_izanami_ @nrken19 I never said they had more than Mycenaean?

@lezagacy @Kar_year_1785 @m_izanami_ @nrken19 It gives u generic fits quite well, Thracian EIA has less Anatolian Chalcolithic than Mycanean, it makes total sense as well archaeologically.

Neolithic Ancestry Proportions of Bronze Age/Iron Age Europeans

@k0tuz @Kar_year_1785 @m_izanami_ @nrken19 G25 overfits ANF. Using it for neolithic isn't recommended by Davidski himself. You need to use it proximally if you are going to use it.

@lezagacy @Kar_year_1785 @m_izanami_ @nrken19 I do not have to play genastrology games, first fact-check you see clearly Thracian EIA samples do not have Anatolian Chalcolithic, they have less of CHG/Iran affinities than Mycaneans. There is no way their EEF is from Anatolia, but rather somewhere in Central-East Balkans.

@Kar_year_1785 @m_izanami_ @nrken19 Myceaneans seem to vary depending on sample though.

@Kar_year_1785 @m_izanami_ @nrken19 This is mostly accurate but Myceneans and Thracians have BA Anatolian.

@k0tuz @Kar_year_1785 @m_izanami_ @nrken19 Varna provides the most nonsensical results which makes sense Bulgarian EEF is a deadend archaeologically but regardless they do need an Anatolian source in all models when you look at popdrop the version without fails.

@Kar_year_1785 @lezagacy @m_izanami_ @nrken19 The Thracians have even less Chalcolithic Anatolian than Mycaneans, i think that is quite clear.

@Kar_year_1785 @m_izanami_ @nrken19 *the EEF culture that preceeded Ezero with the Tell cultues was wiped out I mean.

@Kar_year_1785 @m_izanami_ @nrken19 Agreed. My main gripe with Thracians atm is where the hell their EEF came from I did some digging and the EEF culture that spawned them was wiped out by the MBA and they seem to be more EEF than the preceeding Ezero culture was.

@Kar_year_1785 @m_izanami_ @nrken19 To be fair though it's hardly like we have proper sampling of Northern Thrace or Dacians though.

@Kar_year_1785 @m_izanami_ @nrken19 Thracian IBD sharing is decently high with BA Anatolians but with Myceneans it's almost none. Their share seems to be with Isparta BA and Ilipnar Chalcolithic types.

🧵: Uniparental structure of EBA Core Yamnaya on AADR/HO v66 Using EIGENSOFT smartPCA, EBA Core Yamnaya remains tightly clustered despite paternal diversity. Observed clades here: R-Z2103 n=72, I-M233 n=17, R-L51 n=2, J-L283 n=1, R-PF7562 n=1, R-V1636 n=1.

🧵: PCA of Southern European fine structure This PCA uses EIGENSOFT smartpca on the AADR / Reich Lab v62 HO dataset. Modern West Eurasian references define the axes, while selected ancient populations are projected for comparison.

@ligjerat Yeah especially with formal tools on the pre modern Albs its especially difficult.

@lezagacy Should more-so been something obvious from the get-go given how subpar models using an Eastern Balkan source are.

Amongst the un-labeled samples of the Akbari 2026 anonymized datasets there have been a plethora of BA-IA Balkan related samples. Here are I43811 under E-V13>Z5018>FGC11451 and I44248 under E-V13>Z5017>CTS9320 Combined these lineages are 12% of the Albanian Y-Chr genepool.