I really don’t understand why cognition “built on embodied perception” and the brain simply being a computer are mutually exclusive.

@DavidPinsof Perhaps the idea is it won’t wash to ascribe non-derivative intentional states to a system that isn’t itself an animal appetitive world-exploring essentially-sensorimotor etc system.

@DavidPinsof Indeed. ‘Cognition’, ‘embodied’, ‘perception’ and of course ‘computer’ are arguably all terms with a sufficiently fuzzy definition to form no obstacle to any degree of mutual compatibility.

@DavidPinsof Depends what you mean by computer.

@DavidPinsof Andy Clark does seem to blend together the 2 views

@DavidPinsof Just different levels of description. The thing itself doesnt care about how you describe it, it just continues being itself.