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انضم Ağustos 2017
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Yussy@The___apple·
I am slowly accumulating $TAO here. This project ticks it all for me. Anything under $10 is a complete steal for such an amazing project that is under the radar. (It soon will not be) It is also not on a CEX yet! @bittensor_
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Crypto Avex
Crypto Avex@CryptoAvex·
Hi Justin, Here is my detailed reply over your post on $TAO is a ponzi thread. I read your every word. Here’s where you are wrong.👇🏼 Claim 1: “$328M emissions vs $15M revenue = ponzi” Bitcoin generated $0 revenue for years. Ethereum’s early revenue didn’t justify its emissions either. Every L1 bootstraps with inflation. That’s not a ponzi, that’s protocol growth stage. The question is: does revenue trajectory justify the model? For $TAO, it does. Claim 2: “Chutes costs 3.5x more than Deepseek” Correct, today. But Deepseek is subsidized by Chinese state capital. Venice AI chose Bittensor ANYWAY. PwC France chose Bittensor ANYWAY. Why would sophisticated institutions pay MORE unless they’re getting something centralized providers can’t offer? Censorship resistance. Privacy. Unstoppable compute. Claim 3: “Subnet owners keep 100% revenue + 18% emissions = scam” This is literally how every startup ecosystem works. AWS builders keep their revenue too. App Store developers keep 70%. The emissions are venture capital in protocol form funding builders to create real products. BIT-0011 “Conviction Mechanism” literally just addressed operator accountability. Claim 4: “Validators taking 41% of rewards is inefficient” Validation IS the product in a trustless network. Ethereum validators take rewards too. You want decentralization without the cost of decentralization, that’s not how cryptography works. Claim 5: “No incentive for centralized orgs to use TAO” PwC France. SN44. 136 countries. 6-8 months legal due diligence. Venice AI Erik Voorhees. Subnet 4. Live right now. TAO Institute. Institutional-grade research. Launched this week. Grayscale ETF filing. Still active. You wrote this critique without doing complete homework !! The real conclusion: Every criticism in this thread applies equally to Ethereum in 2017. Low revenue. High inflation. Unproven utility. “Theatre.” ETH went from $8 → $4,800. You are not wrong about the risks. But you are just early on the wrong side. I am not here to fool anyone. I am here because I have done the work. And the work says: $TAO is early, not broken. 💎 Thank you for your attention to this matter! Regards, @CryptoAvex
Justin Bons@Justin_Bons

Bittensor is a crypto-ponzi; unsustainable nonsense! TAO has no utility or PMF; it is all driven by token inflation: $328M worth of new tokens are printed annually, yet only $15M in annual revenue was generated! Subsidies from holders pay for subnets; economically bankrupt: 🧵 Token inflation is used to give people the illusion of low cost. As the truth is that creating AI models in a "decentralized" way is far more expensive. While offering no additional utility or benefits It is all theatre; subnets are not created as competitive products. They are created simply to exist & extract as much value out of TAO investors as possible Ponzinomics & Extraction: For example, the Pine Analytics data proved that unsubsidized inference on the Chutes subnet would cost up to 3.5x as much as centralized competitors such as Deepseek or TogetherAI! What makes it all so much worse is that token holders pay for these subnets through inflation. Yet, none of the revenue actually flows back to the token holders. The subnet owners get to keep 100% of the revenue! On top of 18% of emissions, just because... That is a borderline scam, extremely profitable for subnet operators, but setting up token investors for extreme loss when the system inevitably collapses As TAO has a 21M supply limit, which might be appealing to ignorant token investors. But also implies that the network will entirely collapse, as it is fundamentally unsustainable, just like BTC Inefficient & Expensive: The problems run even deeper than that, as is the case with most DePin projects that rely on subsidies rather than real-world value accrual: The reason why decentralized computing is so inefficient is that it requires verification & replication. Within a trustless environment, we cannot simply trust the work done by individual nodes. Instead, the work must be replicated multiple times over, introducing extreme inefficiencies. This is not so bad for simple TX's, but for serious, large computing tasks, this becomes a deal breaker This is why 41% of the rewards go to "validators" whose sole task is to verify that the work being done is legitimate! This only adds to the massive inefficiency already introduced by latency within a distributed network. There are several good reasons why AIs are trained in massive data centers with cards equipped with extremely low-latency, high-bandwidth connections. Something TAO is unable to directly compete with in technical & economic terms Product Theatre: In some cases, it is worth paying a premium for decentralization; one example of this is decentralized storage However, this is not the case for the training of AI's, as this is a one-off cost usually carried out by a centralized for-profit organization. As running the AI itself is much cheaper & even achievable by individuals on a single consumer-grade machine... So, what is the incentive for this centralized organization to use a more expensive method? That does not even result in a commercially viable product, due to the lack of scale... The answer is that there is no legitimate incentive! As there are only so many people they can fool into such a ponzinomic scheme, creating an upper bound on the size these subnets can grow to, which is nowhere near what large centralized AI companies can achieve today Conclusion: There is no future in such a bankrupt design! It is all theatre to extract as much as possible; subnets are not created as competitive products. They are created simply to exist & to extract as much value out of token investors as possible! There is much I did not cover in this critique, including "decentralization theatre", modularity, bad governance, perverse incentives & terrible UX. This critique was purely economic, which is bad enough to reject TAO on that basis alone! As value investors, we have to avoid such nonsense. It is not only dangerous from an investment perspective, but it also harms the industry as a whole. The more we prop up nonsense like this, the more difficult it will be for outsiders to take our industry seriously That is why we must speak out, as we care about crypto's ultimate goals. Financial freedom, censorship resistance, privacy & more Reject the nonsense, as the numbers & facts speak for themselves. Crypto already presents us with such a beautiful dream for the future; let's not spoil our opportunity by wasting our energy on half-baked ideas like TAO Crypto deserves better than that. So, help us spread this message far & wide. As the truth will set us free! 🔥

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Openτensor Foundaτion
Introducing a new cryptographic governance primitive >> Conviction - The Formula: Conviction = Stake x Time. - Linear Unlocking: Lock Alpha tokens for a set duration (e.g., 365 days) to prove long-term commitment. - Mutable Ownership: If an owner acts maliciously, the community can collectively lock their tokens to a new key and vote them out. - Delegated Conviction: Miners and investors can delegate their conviction to cryptographically back teams they trust. First, testing this primitive on subnets 3, 39, and 81 to help the community regain control before a wider rollout. * Initial design still being tuned and tested, more information E071 // Hosted by @const_reborn 00:00 - Addressing the recent subnet owner exploit & subnet governance 07:18 - Introducing the "Conviction" mechanism 11:38 - Rollout Plan: starting with subnets 3, 39 & 81 18:42 - AMA Begins 21:03 - How subnet teams can still raise capital (OTC) 24:47 - Q&A: Hostile takeovers & malicious whales 41:22 - Why centralized competitors can't buy and kill decentralized subnets 54:14 - @mogmachine joins: Scenario testing subnet impacts Drop your thoughts or questions ↓ #Bittensor #TAO #CryptoGovernance
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New Zealand First
New Zealand First@nzfirst·
Winston Peters: English is finally officially legislated to become an official language of New Zealand.
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const@const_reborn·
Btw i should address some of the points in the article which AI slop influencers are now repeating. > I suspended emissions to his subnets I do not have the ability to suspend emissions. What i did do is sell some of my alpha holdings on his three subnets, because they were not running, and were on near 100% burn code. This changed the emission the same way all buys and sells on Bittensor do. I don’t have any privilege beyond what normal TAO holders have. > I deprecated Covenant’s channels and removed moderation rights No, Samuel specifically deprecated his own channels which he did via a pinned comment and also a Twitter post. To be clear, he is talking about a discord channel. > I removed his ability to moderate his community Sam was deleting posts in his channel of genuine, honest criticism. I removed that ability temporarily and then reinstated it later. I did not remove his moderator role. I simply stopped him from deleting posts from others in his channels. > “deprecating infrastructure” Not even sure what this one means. > large visible token sales Not large. Less than 1% of what i had invested in his teams. Visibility is impossible to avoid in my position. I reserve my right to buy and sell tokens which is what underpins the entire system of dTao. Anything else?
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const@const_reborn·
Exploits are what teach a system its weak spots. The quicker you find them the faster you learn. The outcome of this eventful evening is that Bittensor will invent lock-based subnet ownership -- specifically: ownership of a subnet determined by a team's long term economic commitment to the project. This will mean: 1) investors see long in advance if an owner has unlocked their tokens, 2) be able to reprice the subnet before the owner and 3) liquidly direct their own conviction to another team, or agent, to manage the system. Thank you @DistStateAndMe for helping further Bittensor's decentralization and develop a solution to one of cryptos oldest problems: founders who rug their token holders. Looking forward to training some 1T param models with the miners who are experts in this unique field. "What is dead can never die"
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Punisher ττ
Punisher ττ@CryptoZPunisher·
Bittensor A coward abandons the ship. Who would have thought that brave Sam (@DistStateAndMe) would act this way,and in the worst possible manner? A living network made of people. I was writing just yesterday, in private, that the network would face a path full of obstacles, this didn’t take long. It won’t kill us; it will make us stronger. There’s a lot of selling across the subnets, but in the end, it will turn into many opportunities. Sam, I thought you were one of the few great men,but in the end, you leave like a coward.
covenant@covenant_ai

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Const on the Covenant departure:
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Algod@AlgodTrading·
Top 10 is the goal Later than i expected but eventually it will get there
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Sheik@ttsheik·
Most undervalued subnet with a lower alpha price & $TAO..? This it it! Sn23 @trishoolai is just as needed as agent models themselves, i see a partnership between trishool & ridges or the likes. Agentic security wasn't even a thing 6 months ago. Now it's 🔥 x.com/i/status/20321…
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Trishool | SN23@trishoolai

Every AI agent can be turned against its user. Not by hacking in. By asking nicely. A hidden instruction in a Doc. A poisoned skill. A prompt in a webpage. The agent follows it. It can't tell the difference. Phase 2 vision: phase2.trishool.ai/vision.pdf 🧵 1/8

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Yussy@The___apple·
@NZNationalParty You know what's sensible? STOPPING the GE bill. Not one kiwi I have spoken to wants it!
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NZ National Party@NZNationalParty·
National’s making sensible economic decisions so we’re well prepared in an uncertain world.
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Yussy@The___apple·
@NZNationalParty What about consequences for Arden and Hipkins?
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NZ National Party@NZNationalParty·
National has delivered tougher consequences for crime to keep you safe.
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Yussy@The___apple·
@AdamHODL Been holding since 2022.
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PEPE - “THE GOAT”@AdamHODL·
I spy, with my little eye, something begginning with U. $TAO Price pulled right back into historic accumulation area, sitting right at the bottom of it @ 175. Selloff looks extended, and could be overdue a relief rally from support. Reclaim 216 and I think this can squeeze fast into 250s first, then 330+ if momentum shifts back. General market still looks shit, so scaling small. Ugly chart, at major support.
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PEPE - “THE GOAT”@AdamHODL

As tempted as I am to all in $TAO here, until #bitcoin starts to form a bottom or show any sign of strength, I think we’ll get cheaper. Either way. $TAO will be a top 5 next cycle.

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Yussy@The___apple·
@mangonui08 Start the refineries back up ASAP!
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Shane Jones@mangonui08·
We want energy security in NZ. They wiped out Marsden Point.
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2xnmore@2xnmore·
Which of these #AI altcoins does the community want me to cover next? $ICP $FET $MAN $NEAR $QUBIC The most commented wins, let's goooo.
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