Graham

@Osarseph0 Do you hold with Olivi that the Antichrist will be a Pope?

Peter John Olivi on the Antichrist and the Ecclesiastical Deception: “The pseudochristians and pseudoprophets will cause the cupidity and carnality or earthly glory of the secular beast to be adored by all, and will offer great signs to this end: First, of its ecclesiastical authority, contradiction of which will seem to be disobedience, contumacy and schismatic rebellion; second, of the universal opinion of all its masters and doctors and of the whole multitude or common opinion of all, contradiction of which will seem foolish, insane, and even heretical; third, of arguments and falsely twisted scriptures, as well as of some superficial, ancient and multiform religion confirmed and solemnized through long succession from antiquity. Thus with these signs they will seem to make the fire of divine wrath descend on those who contradict them, . . . and will decree that whoever does not obey should be anathematized, ejected from the synagogue, and, if necessary, turned over to the secular arm of the former beast. They will make the image of the the beast - that is, the pseudopope raised up by the king of the first beast - adored in such a way that he is believed in more than Christ and his gospel and honored as if he were the god of this world. sourcebooks.fordham.edu/source/olivi.a…

@Osarseph0 I agree that this is a confusing topic with little help from Rome, but I am of the opinion that the “thousands upon thousands” is almost certainly in reference to canonizations.

Or, on the other hand, maybe papal infallibility is practically incoherent and no one knows what it really is. Gasser’s Relatio at Vatican 1 says there has been ‘thousands upon thousands’ of ex cathedra dogmatic judgments, while most Catholics today can only point to two ex cathedras on Marian dogmas, and some will also quibble about Humanae Vitae and Ordinatio Sacerdotalis. And then modern canon law says nothing is infallible unless it’s manifestly clear—which is also extremely vague. And basically anything which seems like an infallible statement by Gasser’s standards is always coped away ‘It’s not definitive’, ‘it’s prudential’, ‘it’s not faith and morals’ (death penalty??) So modern Catholic disourse is caught in a maelstrom of what was defined to be basically papal maximalism struggling in an environment where adopting such a stance would lead to what is essentially intellectual suicide given modern Popes.

@CathRoser @redeemed_zoomer Leo is obviously liberal leaning but cmon lmao is zoomer seriously suggesting Protestant denominations around the world outside of the Southern Baptists aren’t just as liberal if not more

@redeemed_zoomer Picking and choosing

Roman Catholicism cannot save the West. The Reformation was necessary to allow Christians to dissent from clergy when they do nonsense like this For example, the clergy in my denomination also believe a lot of things I don't like, but I'm free to publicly dissent and vote against them

@artificer69 @SlabsBaconGroyp Yes he is

@spxnwjxbnjnswk @philliplede Better catechesis, parents actually helping to raise their kids in the faith after confirmation

@Graham1719780 @philliplede Solution? Is there even one?

Do we know what percent are practicing Catholics?

@DoorDashThomist Good analogy

"We observe with Bellarmine: It cannot be that the justice of Christ be imputed to us in that sense, that through it we may be formally called and be just. For although denomination sometimes is made from an extrinsic form, as a thing is said to be known through knowledge which is in the mind, and a wall is said to be seen through vision which is in the eye, yet when in someone there are two contrary forms, one inherent and the other extrinsic, without doubt the absolute denomination is taken from the inherent form rather than the extrinsic. For if someone dressed an Ethiopian in white clothing, he would not correctly say: this Ethiopian is white, because his own and inherent blackness pertains to him more than that assumed external whiteness. Thus therefore, if you dress a truly impious and unjust man, through inherent injustice, with the justice of Christ through apprehension and thought, you will not correctly pronounce him just, but you will most justly call him impious and unjust. (De Justif. lib. 2, cap. 7, § 8)." (Walenburch Brothers, Controversies, Tr. 7, Ch. 66, n. 1)

@SlabsBaconGroyp Quite possibly the realest thing he’s ever said

@JohnXI35 Link to this?

My calling ig

@FinnishZoomer Where does online EO go from here

Dyer has retired

@ChromeBarracuda W bait

Kardashians clear mathematics; There's literally nothing less interesting memorizing and calculating the abstract logical rules of mathematics. That this task is taken over by Chinese, Indians, & AI is a blessing for the European existence

@philliplede Why’s that?

I have a low enough view of Protestants that I am willing to count Mormons among them.

@TheOrthoEnsign @EthanWayne2001 Oh my lol

@Graham1719780 @EthanWayne2001 youtu.be/fXnef2Ltklg?si…

Thing is, I’m Orthodox and Jonathan often makes no sense to me. So, I don’t know that everyone’s confusion is just because “bad phronema.” Maybe the man just doesn’t make a lot of sense.

@TheOrthoEnsign @EthanWayne2001 Do you have proof of him claiming the latter?

@EthanWayne2001 I mean he denies the atonement and thinks that Santa exists and exists in a way comparable to God existing. He's quite lost, really.

@ContraMolinism Same, don’t feel like the discussion went anywhere ultimately though

I was impressed of Matt Hedges in that debate.

@sincead33 Good job on the debate, far more edifying than any dyerite conversation would have been

So two comments on my debate last night. 1. I was unclear regarding the Transfiguration. The voice saying "This is my beloved Son..." implies that the speaker is the Father, and so one could assent that the Father was speaking; this is not self-authentication; this is a testimony. Again, this and the examples of Noah, Abraham, etc. are all private revelation. 2. Some were confused when I said Scripture's authority self-authenticates. Remember that the internal message of the Old Testament and the Gospel contains marks of sublimity, fulfillment of prophecies, miracles, harmony with one another. It proposes a religion which perfectly fulfills man's desires and ends, and synthesizes perfectly with natural reason. Externally, the Christian message, which is contained in what we call the Bible, without presupposing inspiration, has gone out into all the world, penetrating every corner of society and converting entire cultures, etc. It also produces great repentance and holy thoughts in the soul, etc. All of these marks authenticate the Christian religion (and they also specifically authenticate the Catholic Church as uniquely true, but I won't explain why here). These all provide certitude that the Christian religion is from God, which happens to be contained in what we call Scripture. Is this not how we defend "mere" Christianity (I hate that term) against atheists and agnostics? The Protestant error is that they say this necessitates inspiration, which is obviously an absurd conclusion, since there is no necessary connection of these marks with inspiration of a text. Bernard De Moor, Reformed: “The first [question is] concerning the argument because of which I believe the Scripture to be θεόπνευστον (inspired), and myself, therefore to be obliged to receive the same by a divine faith… To which [I answer] the Scripture has in its notes the likeness of an argument because of which I believe.” Commentarius perpetuus, Leiden, 1761, vol. 1, cap. 2, § 6, p. 142. These only authenticate revelation. Suarez: “Although a human being cannot bear witness concerning himself, God nevertheless can, because of His infinite authority. And thus the rule of faith also, insofar as it is a special instrument through which God speaks, can sometimes bear witness, and possesses within itself something distinctive from divine providence and ordinance by which it becomes evidently credible that it is such a rule of faith and has divine assistance. This is seen in Scripture, for example, in the harmony of the Prophets with events, and similarly in other things.” De Fide, disp. 5, § 2, n. 4.

@scdvo_1681 People projecting because they can’t control themselves irl so they either are super lax or super controlling

The obsession with sex on here is getting out of control. I know it's always been bad but I feel like it's gotten worse recently

@scdvo_1681 @FinnishZoomer He was based

@Graham1719780 @FinnishZoomer Luther

Im gonna ask how he did it

@scdvo_1681 @FinnishZoomer Who told you this vro 😭

@FinnishZoomer Didn't he pray the Rosary in his deathbed?

@robinabled @FinnishZoomer @Blueishsweatsh1 @StunProdStud We are philosemites bud, it’s called being on the winning team

@FinnishZoomer @Blueishsweatsh1 @StunProdStud Theyre calling it the most jewish reply ever

"25% of all Mexicans live in the US. 70% rely on welfare."