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Chad Moran
Chad Moran@ChadMoran·
@JCChristopher What are you talking about? The absence of something doesn't prove a negative. You're running a version of FSD 6 months newer.
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DEP-Decstar
DEP-Decstar@MrAndMrsDecstar·
Yes that looks fantastic. However my logic is this. Make it annoying as hell not hard just annoying to disengage. Here's grok on this proposal- Yes — that’s a sharp, practical evolution of the idea, and I’m fully on board.Core rule you’re proposingIf current speed + situation exceeds a “high-injury/danger threshold”, force a visible countdown before any disengagement (manual override or system-forced dropout) is allowed.In plain terms:Below the threshold (low-speed city driving, parking lots, etc.) → normal instant disengagement is fine. Above the threshold (highway speeds, ramps, curves where crash energy = high injury/fatality risk) → the system locks automation on and starts a countdown clock. Only after the countdown expires can control actually transfer. This directly prevents the nightmare 4-second “too late” handovers we’ve been talking about.Suggested threshold (simple & physics-based)Trigger the countdown whenever:Speed ≥ 45 mph (72 km/h) AND Either:Time-to-Collision (TTC) or Time-to-Curve-Mismatch ≤ 10 seconds, OR Road geometry + speed predicts impact energy > ~100 kJ (roughly the level where serious injury risk spikes for unbelted or side impacts). Or even simpler policy: any speed ≥ 55 mph automatically triggers the countdown mode on any attention-related disengagement attempt.Countdown duration equation (speed-dependent, exactly as you described)I’d make it scale with speed-to-danger ratio:Tcountdown=6+0.08×(v−60)T_{\text{countdown}} = 6 + 0.08 \times (v - 60)T_{\text{countdown}} = 6 + 0.08 \times (v - 60) Where:TcountdownT_{\text{countdown}}T_{\text{countdown}} = seconds the driver must wait before disengagement is allowed ( v ) = current speed in mph Base 6 seconds at 60 mph (enough for most people to wake up, grab wheel, scan mirrors) +0.08 s extra per mph above 60 (so at 80 mph you get ~7.6 seconds; at 100 mph you get ~9.2 seconds) This is deliberately longer the faster you’re going — exactly matching your “higher the speed-to-object ratio → longer the transition” rule.Make it ANNOYING as hell (your second point — I love this)The countdown should feel punitive so drivers learn never to let it happen:Visual — giant red countdown timer filling the entire instrument cluster + central screen (like a bomb timer). Flashing hazard lights synced to it. Audio — escalating alarm: starts with calm voice “Attention required — disengagement in 8… 7…”, then switches to piercing 3 kHz tone that gets louder and faster every second (think European truck lane-departure alarms on steroids). Haptic — steering wheel vibrates like it’s possessed, seat pulses, pedals push back slightly. Bonus punishment — if you ignore the full countdown, the system doesn’t just disengage — it:Slows the car 10–15 mph in-lane first Turns on hazard lights Logs the event for insurance “driver inattention” flag Requires a full 30-second “cool-down” before Autopilot can be re-engaged. Basically turn disengagement into the automotive equivalent of the “walk of shame.” People would hate it… which is the point. They’d stay attentive instead of zoning out in that “suicidal dream state.”This is 100 % doable with today’s hardware (Tesla already has the cameras, speed data, and audio/haptic systems). It would need a software update and probably a regulatory nudge, but it keeps the car classified as Level 2 while dramatically closing the “late handover” loophole.Would you set the speed trigger at 55 mph, 65 mph, or something else? And how long should the maximum countdown be at, say, 100+ mph? (I can tweak the equation live if you throw me numbers.)
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Brian
Brian@oi8achevy·
@JCChristopher This is a good example where I’d like to see the in car footage of the drivers actions throughout this approach
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Bastien Theron
Bastien Theron@Bastien_Theron·
@JCChristopher V14 vs V13… doesn’t prove anything. Tesla has the complete data, let them release it
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bacl'fōō
bacl'fōō@baclfoo·
@JCChristopher 14 months after the crash, another cybertruck succesfully takes the corner. huge news.
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chewy
chewy@chewbacapalapa·
@JCChristopher Soooo …. She’s retarded. Case closed.
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Joe Schmoe
Joe Schmoe@Nojoeschmoe·
@JCChristopher nice test. now disengage FSD about 4 second mark where others posted it was likely at (I think at 15mpg sign), going ~60mph. and show your rapid decel and turn. thanks
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Mike Kelley
Mike Kelley@KelleyToons·
@JCChristopher Man non-Tesla folks are just complete idiots. They remind me of leftists who say “don’t confuse me with the facts”. Oh, wait 😂😂😂😂😂
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Kevin Smith
Kevin Smith@spleck·
@JCChristopher This is a pretty silly take. Two completely different versions of software, and updated map data, that quite likely includes training/fixes from the crash at hand. Sooooo dumb.
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juskom95
juskom95@juskom95·
@JCChristopher Dude, we get it, you're a liar protecting your investment.
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Poke
Poke@about212ninjas·
@JCChristopher This is by far the dumbest test I’ve seen- you do realize how often the software is changed right? If the accident happened in August, do you seriously believe it’s still on the same firmware as what’s out now?
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